3/28/2005
There will be an autopsy
I just hope this won’t be another case like Lisa McPherson where they altered the cause of death and the autopsy report to reflect something other than the truth because of political pressure.
Michelle Malkin has it here. Killer Mike and the angels of death supposedly want it to prove how extensive the brain damage was. mheh.
March 28th, 2005 at 9:20 pm
Cao, you know it. I have just lost so much faith in our justice system. It makes me sick. Between all the pay offs and the political point scoring, this case smelled of rats from the beginning and will end the same way. Michael Schiavo murdered and got rewarded. That’s it.
March 28th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
Yeah, thats *******! Using all of his settlement money to get her good care, instead of sticking her in any old rest home and buying a porsche and getting a hot big breasted new wife. What a scoundrel.
March 29th, 2005 at 1:09 am
David? Was that sarcasm? Because it didnt come out as that. If it isn’t sarcasm or you the biggest ******* idiot online?
If you think you aren’t the biggest ******* idiot online then that makes you the biggest DELUDED idiot online.
March 29th, 2005 at 4:16 am
She isn’t dead yet, and already so many people are clamouring for an autopsy. Personally I find it somewhat repellent…
March 29th, 2005 at 6:06 am
Dave, she is near-death and Michael said he was going to cremate her right away. I haven’t seen any people on Michael’s side of this who were applauding him for that decision, doesn’t it sound even a LITTLE BIT weird to you that he would cremate her immediately upon her death, considering all the allegations of abuse against him? Most of us don’t want to see him get away with this, and I know to some people who are overly sensitive this whole case was a terribly nasty ordeal, but…it’s reality.
For Terri’s sake, and for that of the Schindler’s, justice should be dealt to Michael, in abundance. IMO, forensic evidence will do it’s job just as it has done in innumerable cases that have been solved way after the fact.
March 29th, 2005 at 12:09 pm
What you’re getting your autopsy and now you’re bitching about it?
Or are you just not looking forward to being proven wrong?
Kind of like how you felt when we called off the search for WMD’s because there weren’t any.
What a pawn.
March 29th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Damn….Chris….liek a rabid bulldog that needs a lead injection you just won’t let go.
Ferchrisakes boy, give up the whining already!!!
Just shut up about the WMDs already….it’s a moot point and a settled one at that.
You only look like an idiot harping on the past.
Grow up boy.
March 29th, 2005 at 4:14 pm
Why did Saddam pay the Syrians $35 million to take truckloads of something to Lebanon? Why do you suppose they won’t leave? There’s a lot more to the story than most people realize…
And Chris, this is a thread about an autopsy for Terri Schiavo. TRY TO FOCUS.
March 29th, 2005 at 5:18 pm
Chris cannot focus……he is out of meds.
March 29th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
Chris must be an idiot. He is has agreed to an autopsy but will he let a doctor favored by the Schlinders to perform the autopsy. I dont have much money to bet but would put my money that it will be someone favored by Michael and the other murders to cover up what might be found.
March 29th, 2005 at 6:38 pm
Chris forgot to take his medication today…Ritalin.:twisted:
March 29th, 2005 at 7:49 pm
“has agreed to an autopsy but will he let a doctor favored by the Schlinders to perform the autopsy.”
Do you even watch the news or do you just have someone spoon feed it too you?
Open wide; “Attorney George Felos said the autopsy will be performed by Dr. Jon Thogmartin, the chief medical examiner of Pinellas County”
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/28/schiavo/
What more do you want? It’s the county’s own medical examiner, it’s not some examiner hand picked by Michael.
Oh wait it must be an ‘Activist Medical Examiner’, to go along with your ‘Activist Judge’.
Morons…
March 29th, 2005 at 8:28 pm
Idiot. Look at Lisa Mcpherson’s records and you’ll see the autopsy results were changed. And her case is suspiciously the same as Terri’s. As a result of the altered autopsy, the forces that were responsible for her death could no longer be held responsible. I suspect it will be the same in this case.
Terri’s own father said about the judicial system that sentenced his daughter to a slow, agonizing death by starvation: “What I think you’re seeing now is a display where the judicial system is…flexing their muscles. They’re showing who’s in command of this country. And we’re not. The public is not, and the people you elect to Congress are not. The judges are. And woe to this country with those people in power. We’ve lost control.”
So as you sit there in denial sucking your thumb, the rest of us are in the real world. Wake up or go back to bed with your bottle.
March 30th, 2005 at 12:02 am
Cao, why the hatred? That’s not a very Christian attribute…
The last thing I want is a bunch of morons on Capitol Hill who only want me to vote for them next go around making any decisions about my family.
Terri’s dad; well I hate to be the one to say it but the whole family is in a bit of denial. Of course this will all be vindicated when we get the results of Terri’s autopsy. Oops I mean when we get the ‘Activist Medical Examiner’s’ version of the autopsy.
I agree they are out of control and the people of this country have let them take control. What docile pigs!!
March 30th, 2005 at 2:01 am
“Just shut up about the WMDs already….it’s a moot point and a settled one at that.”
And the point was that it was a ruse, right?
March 30th, 2005 at 2:27 am
The Schindlers are just worried about losing money when the autopsy proves them wrong. I mean they just sold their financial supporters list to a conservative mass mailing house. Not a bad deal either, $150.00 a month 6,000 names and $500.00 a month for 4,000 email addresses.
Jeez, Mike hasn’t even penned his book deal yet and Terri’s parents are cashing in.
Hey, how many of you here are on that supporter list? I guess they don’t much care about anybody’s privacy never mind Mike and Terri’s.
March 30th, 2005 at 2:29 am
Chris…you seem to have alot of faith in Doctors and lawyers.
I won’t spoon feed you but will serve it up. Check it out then come back and give me your spin.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1371538/posts
March 30th, 2005 at 2:41 am
Sally? It wasn’t a total ruse, but the strategy behind it is breathtaking, AND it is working.
Chris? Your mom called…she said to tell you to get your head out of your *** and take your meds.
March 30th, 2005 at 2:53 am
The Free Republic as a source. Give me a break! The Free Republic is Fox News on crack.
When you come up with a more reputibale source let me know. And no Mad Magazine is not a good source.
I see everyone here is choking on that radical right spoon feeding.
March 30th, 2005 at 5:39 am
I have a feeling any source I come up with will not meet your standards. So tell me where does the freethinker with SFB’s Syndrome get his news and info?
March 30th, 2005 at 6:08 am
Click here That just goes how much you understand the ideology of a Christian person.
Christians and religious people are being persecuted all over the world and the US is no exception. Socialism/communism’s goal is to get rid of us…just as Hitler and Stalin and Lenin did.
You people are no more tolerant than them.
Hatred does not cause wars, it ends them. Because Churchill truly hated Hitler, he inspired a nation to put an end to his blitzkrieg conquests. The French, who did not hate Hitler, collaborated with him, instead. It is indifference to evil, rather than its hatred, that sends a message to the tyrants that they pick on anyone they like for the world will be silent.
He who does not hate Abu Musab al Zarkawi – a monster who shouts “God is great” while sawing off the heads of innocent human beings – is barely human themselves. Can a man love innocent victims without hating their tormentors? Loving victims might generate compassion for their suffering. But hating the perpetrators will generate action to stop their orgy of murder.
March 30th, 2005 at 6:11 am
Fox News and Whitehouse.gov. This is where every free thinking American should go to get informed. Oh and I almost forgot Cao’s blog.
March 30th, 2005 at 6:23 am
Cao…thought you might like to know, in case you don’t… March 30, 2005
(CBS/AP) A federal appeals court early Wednesday granted Terri Schiavo’s parents the right to file a petition for rehearing for an injunction that could allow their daughter’s feeding tube to be reconnected.
The ruling came just after midnight from a federal appeals court in Atlanta
March 30th, 2005 at 7:17 am
I think that (fat) ******* wants us to go instead to MoveOn.org for just the fact’s, ma’am. And to watch Farenheit 911 or Bowling for Columbine. Those are purely unbiased sources, right up there with Clinton News Network and MSM. I’m gettin’ tingly for the truth, I tell ya… plug me in!
Re this Atlanta ruling: I bet Mikey S. is pissing his pants…
March 30th, 2005 at 7:36 am
Actually every source you just mentioned is worse then the ones I listed. Next…..
March 30th, 2005 at 8:04 am
*******, all of your points are just plain stupid. I feel sorry for you. Whoever brainwashed you into a liberal did a very good job.
March 30th, 2005 at 8:12 am
Jay,
Plain stupid?
I know you are but what am I?
What points? Which ones are stupid? You comment all together was pointless!
March 30th, 2005 at 10:11 am
*******?
“I know you are but what am I”?
OH yeah? Well, we’re rubber and your glue and whatever you say bounces off of us and sticks to you.::pppppppttttttttttthhhhhhhhhh::
March 30th, 2005 at 10:36 am
We shall see, when the autopsy results are released. I hope the autopsy is complete, authentic, thorough and honest.
/TJ
(My fear is that it will not be half of those things, but I am withholding judgment)
March 30th, 2005 at 1:03 pm
there was a coherent strategy?
March 30th, 2005 at 1:33 pm
Sally what are you blithering about? You don’t have one, that’s for sure.
March 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pm
And yes Cao, I have a crush on you. Smooches!!!
March 30th, 2005 at 3:45 pm
Ah so refreshing to see every disenting opinion and supporting fact answered with 3rd grade insults and name calling. The staggering lack of logic in this debate is funny.
March 31st, 2005 at 9:16 pm
I’m so tired of the slanerous comments and allegations levelled at Michael Schiavo. Nobody knows for sure what he is thinking. I know that I wouldn’t want to live in that condition. The decision could not have been easy and now people create stories to demonize him. Cowards hiding in the anonimity of the internet.
May Terri Schiavo RIP and her family find peace.
March 31st, 2005 at 9:42 pm
I have learned about this at school today!
April 1st, 2005 at 5:01 am
I’m sorry you’re not aware of things like this and this. There is plenty of evidence to suspect Michael of wrongdoing, DFS opened an investigation which is currently pending.
April 1st, 2005 at 1:32 pm
Hearsay is not fact. Let the actual evidence speak.
This is typical obfuscation and fallatious reasoning to make unproven claims and statements as matters of fact.
Just like the media where one person makes a false statement and then retracts it but other media outlets continue to quote the original false statement without including the retraction.
I want to be fully informed of all of the facts and not incomplete reporting based on an agenda.
By all means embrace life but respect the will of the individual.
My advice is if you agree with the right to die is to save everyone a lot of pain and soul searching by having a living will and by making sure your loved ones know your explicit wishes. I believe it is possible Terri Schiavo stated her lack of desire to exist in such a condition but without explicit proof we cannot know.
It is all supposition and speculation for those of us who never knew her or had the chance to talk to her on this subject.
April 1st, 2005 at 1:45 pm
Yes indeed, let’s have the facts. Ok, Terri was in a vegetative state and feels nothing, check, I got it.
Starvation is painless and Terri will actually feel euphoria (a feeling of well-being or elation.)
Um, but they said she will feel noth,,,,ok ok, I got it.
Terri was given morphine near the end. A pain killer? Was this to combat pain and discomfort or was this to deny her the euphoria?
So the result is, kill her now and ask questions later.
April 1st, 2005 at 2:19 pm
That’s all I’m talking about, facts. The people who deny all the evidence against Michael Schiavo either haven’t read the reports and affidavits or are just paying attention to the media reports. Either way, it’s breathtaking blindness. Psychiatric experts have testified he fits the same personality profile as OJ Simpson–someone who is capable of going into a blind rage which might explain how Terri wound up with her head/neck injury to begin with. Michael Baden, the forensic expert, has testified that her neck injury is consistent with strangulation and so has Dr. Hammesfahr, after looking at her CT scan.
Witnesses to Michael’s abusive behavior and solid evidence like the 1991 bone scan are not hearsay. Code Blue Blog has a good analysis of the CT Scan.
April 2nd, 2005 at 5:35 pm
Dr.Hammesfahr listed on quackwatch
News reports state allegations of abuse are unfounded. So far only blogs are claiming abuse as fact. Just real facts please. If He did abuse her then charge him but let the authorities do their job.
April 2nd, 2005 at 5:49 pm
Gosh, I guess a Nobel Prize nomination to you means that someone is a quack, lol….since you’re so big on facts, where is the link to Quackwatch News? Or are you just self-inflating? So then the authorities are infallible and they don’t make mistakes, is that it? We shouldn’t be questioning how they arrive at their conclusions or examining what laws they’re breaking, ignoring or inventing?
Hammesfahr is a reputable neurologist who works with brain damaged patients to rehabilitate them, not kill them like Dr. Cranford. Interestingly, Dr. Cranford’s testimony is what Greer solely relied upon. I could say the same thing about Cranford, his expertise is in killing his patients so if that wasn’t the goal in Greer’s courtroom, he should have allowed some other kind of expert testimony. But he did not. Anyway, discrediting Hammasfahr is not necessary, there are plenty of other experts who agree with his assessment.
Hammesfahr’s Bio
Image of Hammersahr’s Nobel nomination
list of articles written by Hammersahr.
A couple of favorable stories about patients of Hammersahr using Hammersahr’s approach.
In Oct 2002, he was under investigation for his advertising methods (thanks to MS’s atty it seems) “…Identical complaints about his advertising filed in previous years have been found to be without merit by the Board of Medicine…”
The Daily KOS and other leftists are doing all they can to discredit him, but are you going to do that to the entire neurological community? lol
Another expert who has spoken on the case is Dr. Peter Morin. He is a researcher specializing in degenerative brain diseases, and has both an M.D. and a Ph.D. in biochemistry from Boston University. Another is Michael Baden, the forensic patholigist and another is Dr. W. Campbell Walker, who did the 1991 bone scan. Dr. John Young, Dr. William Maxfield are two more. Don’t you read at all????
Almost 50 neurologists all say the same thing: Terri should be reevaluated, Terri should be reexamined, and there are grave doubts as to the accuracy of Terri’s diagnosis of PVS. All of these neurologists are board-certified; a number of them are fellows of the prestigious American Academy of Neurology; several are professors of neurology at major medical schools.
I’m sorry you don’t want to acknowledge that information, but neither did Greer and that’s why there is a problem. It’s not only coming from bloggers….but bloggers are bringing the issues to the fore. Code Blue Blog has more, and so does Sue Bob’s Diary on the legal issues. There are plenty of experts to call upon, I don’t have to be a doctor or lawyer myself to see the injustices served in this case.
Click here, here, here, here.
I’m sorry you don’t agree with me, but guess what. It’s a free country, SO YOU DON’T HAVE TO! But maybe you should go visit Richard from Hyscience and go down the list of blogsforterri which are now in the area of 300 blogs and tell them all to shut up, too. And I bet I could tell you what they’ll all tell you: Go pray to St. FU.
In the meantime, I’m going to continue posting.
Actually I’m BORED WITH YOU. And I can most certainly do something about it if you keep telling me what to do and write about on my own site. Are we clear?
April 2nd, 2005 at 8:03 pm
Watch out…I would not be pissing Cao off if I were any of you liberal freaks.
April 2nd, 2005 at 9:14 pm
I’m not picking a fight with you. In fact I applaud your willingness to engage in this. You can check out quackwatch.org if you choose. As far as authorities saying the abuse allegations are without sufficient basis I say let them do their job and if they find sufficient grounds to charge him then I am with you in seeing justice served. I just want to see justice served without bias or some inappropriate agenda. Having been accused of something I didn’t do I wait for everything to be shown before judging anyone. At least you will discuss and provide some backing info. Too many have jumped to conclusions and I find that a bit scary.
Anyway Cao thanks for the dialog.
April 2nd, 2005 at 9:15 pm
Hey. I found the website, and thank you for keeping your comments civil. I didn’t find the article you were referencing, but I think you are too trusting of the people who are in authority and too willing to hand over decisions like this that are important to all; not to just one woman. There are over 17 disability groups who are very concerned over this as you can see here.
I think the whole reason we all got involved was that we saw a serious injustice being handed to an innocent woman at the hands of a man who fits the psychological profile of an abuser. If there was even a question as to that man’s character and what his motives were, IMO, he should not have been allowed to be her guardian.
That just makes sense, but what seems to make sense to normal people did not happen in this case…with just a cursory glance you can get that impression, but the deeper I delved into it, the more I was thinking “what the hell is going on here” and “why isn’t anyone stopping it?”
If you couple that with the fact that Judge Greer acted illegally as both Guardian Ad Litem and the Judge in this case simultaneously (at one point), and many other facts that indicate conflicts of interest, it just seems as though Terri did not get due process. She never had her own attorney! I have never heard of such a thing.
April 2nd, 2005 at 9:52 pm
She should have had her own attorney. When a person cannot communicate their wishes Then they should have a legal advocate.
As far as some person fitting a psychological profile of an abuser doesn’t guarantee they are one. It does give one cause to look deeper.
I’m not sure of your views on right to die issues.(I don’t believe many people are anti-life) I have a health issue which may leave me in a position where I would not want to be kept alive. As long as I have enough strength to live I will.
I mentioned in a previous post that I believe a person should have a living will to make their wishes known.
Anyway I have a different perspective on some things but probably share more of your views than you may think.
As far as trusting the authorities goes I can be a bit of a cynic but I prefer to put my trust in law. The alternative can be pretty scary.
I look forward to your next post
April 2nd, 2005 at 10:21 pm
As many disabled people have said, as a young person never having been faced with those issues, a person might say those things. But once you’re tube fed like many people with Crohn’s disease, it doesn’t mean you’re a disposable person. Being that Terri was a catholic, her family sincerely doubted that she would have said such a thing.
The ruling was based purely on hearsay; something he suddenly remembered after getting over $1.6 million dollars in insurance money to rehabilitate her.
Many of us have personal issues I don’t like to air mine here. Suffice it to say I have personal experience with dealing with these kinds of issues and a living will might have circumvented this, I don’t know.
The fact that Michael was awarded over $1 million for her rehabilitation and once he got it started using that money to end her life, that is of deep concern. It was at that point that the Schindler’s and he had a falling out.
Up until that point she was receiving therapy, beginning to talk, and was walking with a walker. He ended all her therapy 15 years ago and illegally put her in a hospice 5 years ago.
When you enter a hospice, in order for Medicaire to pay for your payments, you must provide documentation that you’re terminal and are going to die in 6 months. Michael provided no such documentation, because she wasn’t terminal.
The only thing that made her case terminal was the Judge ordering her food and water to be withheld from her. Which was a gradual case of bait and switch. The documents said at first “artificial life support”, and then “artificial life support/tube feeding”, to “tube feeding”, to Nutrition and hydration. At the end, the Judge ordered Michael Schiavo to stop providing her with food and water; it was a killing order.
This was not law that was passed by the legislature, this was bait and switch language all done in a probate judge’s courtroom. Terri had no attorney, and the judge served as the jury; there was no jury. If you read all those counts at the petition to impeach judge greer, you might have some idea of some of the things he did inappopriately.
The Suncoast Hospice owes the federal government over $14.8 million on fraudulent medicare payments for over 100 patients who were admitted much in the same way as Terri was. It is known as a death factory.
The Empire Journal has more. Apparently a Texas Businessman is filing a formal complaint against Judge Greer and now the petition to impeach him has over 35,000 signatures.
April 3rd, 2005 at 10:38 am
I think the only “authorities” here that have claimed there is no abuse is that One Judge. Various different people in the Dept of Children and Families claim there was abuse — but the judge says there wasn’t, and he won’t let anyone examinate.