6/13/2005
21 week old fetus holds doctor’s hand
This picture is posted with Michael Clancy’s permission, who owns the copyright.
You can’t tell me this little being isn’t alive. Read about the controversy this picture had with the culture of death–they wanted to kill this story in the worst way.
Michael Clancy, the photographer who took the picture and who owns the copyright to it says, however, that out of the corner of his eye he saw the uterus shake and the baby’s hand pop out of the surgical opening on its own. Clancy says that when the doctor put his finger into the baby’s hand, the baby squeezed the finger and held on. You can read Clancy’s description of the experience and more about the picture at his website at www.michaelclancy.com.
This baby is just 26 weeks old. That’s not the right term, I guess-the leftist linguistics people will demand that I change the wording. This a fetus, 26 weeks old, in the womb. This picture is the clearest picture ever produced of a child in the womb, and I agree with the writer at Up for Anything: It’s likely to cloud the already heated abortion debate.
This new ultrasound technology, developed by Professor Stuart Campbell, allows doctors to see facial expressions in the womb.
Previous to this, the theory was-babies learned to smile by copying their mothers. Now, doctors have reason to believe that a stress-free environment, inside the womb can induce a smile.
Professor Campbell says, “I don’t think people realize the range of facial expressions you get inside the uterus, or indeed that babies blink.”
This new scanner shows babies moving their fingers at 15 weeks, yawning at 18 weeks, and smiling, blinking and crying at 26 weeks.
This new technology may have pro-choice advocates a little worried.
I’m not sure this will have any real effect on the debate. Abortion-rights activists will likely say these pictures are irrelevant. But the next time a woman goes to the doctor and sees a picture like this, I have a feeling they’ll be less likely to consider ending their pregnancy.
It absolutely warms my heart to see that little smiling face.
June 13th, 2005 at 7:29 am
Yeppers! Merely a blob of parasitic tissue that has no existence outside of the womb. NOT!!!! Great post and terrific photo. But, to my way of thinking, those hard hearted enough to demand abortion on demand, even for early teens won’t be moved. They have an agenda that defies rationality. That is the problem.
June 13th, 2005 at 5:42 pm
Any person who can claim that this is “fetus” is just tissue blob obviously has lost touch with reality and their own humanity. Amazing what the womb reveals when camera’s are allowed inside.
August 12th, 2005 at 12:59 pm
Aborting children at 26 weeks is, I’m sure, highly unusual and would happen only if a mother’s life were in danger. I am “pro-choice” which means that, no matter that it’s a little baby in there, that may grasp with its fingers, blink, and “smile,” ultimately until it is BORN, it is inside a woman’s body and SHE MUST have the ultimate, final decision about what SHE will do, or not do, about a baby IN HER WOMB. Go ahead and educate people about how to care for children, or adoption, or labor and delivery, or whatever…just don’t assume that pro-life people want to rip little babies from wombs willy-nilly. That’s ridiculous. However, it is not anyone but the woman herself who can make decisions about valiantly supporting a fetus, or not. I happen to be happily 26 weeks pregnant at the moment. Once previously, I was pregnant and decided NOT to become a mother.
August 12th, 2005 at 1:37 pm
Wow what a horrible and sickening thing to brag about. What a weird way to put it. “I chose not to become a mother”. What you really decided was you didn’t care that your baby’s brains were sucked down a tube into the garbage because it wasn’t convenient for you to be pregnant or to have a child at that moment. How utterly disgusting, cruel and self-centered! You are the one who made the decisions that led to that life being created, it wasn’t the child’s fault. Abortion isn’t and shouldn’t be a method of birth control for the people who are stupid enough to have sexual relations without protection, although many like to think of it as such. It’s no wonder that full-term babies are thrown out of car windows, full term babies are found in dumpsters, with the way our society doesn’t value life at all.
When your baby is born, if you allow it to live that long, I hope you can look into that little face and know that you murdered the child’s sibling. Some women believe a fetus is a “parasite”. At least you didn’t say that…but you might as well have said it, admitting that you murdered that other child. Shame on you, and may God forgive you.
August 12th, 2005 at 2:24 pm
Jeannie, the day I hear future parents say “Hubby and I are having a fetus” your argument might carry some weight. But they don’t, so, it doesn’t.
As a counselor who has worked with many a young lady depressed over having decided to and then had an abortion, I cannot fathom such a cavalier attitude. I’m sorry for you, but more importantly, I’m sorry for the child that might have been, and the baby that was.
August 12th, 2005 at 3:23 pm
Jeannie,I believe you are wrong about this. You know how to get pregnant. You also know how not to…You make choices with this. Don’t give me all your excuses with this either. Birth control works 99% of the time.
It’s almost always in your control, getting pregnant or not. Pretty simple.
Once you’re pregnant, I do not agree with you that YOU have control over the life, or death of the unborn. Who are you to take the life of another human? Be it a little glob, or embryo, or fetus, or baby, it’s still human.
It saddens me that so many women would chose abortion over giving up their unwanted babies for abortion. That is another choice you could have made. There are tens of thousands of good people who would LOVE to adopt a baby. The agony of their lives, those who cannot concieve and have children…the irony of the women who would just as soon have the abortion. I consider it very selfish.
It saddens me that too many women now have abortion as a birth control method. It’s come down to this.
August 12th, 2005 at 7:38 pm
Jeannie….have you ever heard of personal responsibility?
Probably not.
You ****!!!
Just because you got stoned and decided to **** the poolboy in a moment of selfish stupidity doesn’t mean that you get to “choose” not to have a child.
I feel sorry for the little leftist fucktard that you are going to raise, and hope you have a girl that decides at 14 that she is mature enough to have a kid by her equally irresponsible dopefiend boyfriend, and that you end up at a young age being a grandma and having to take care of that drooling shitmachine and stay home while your daughter goes out nailing a different scumbag every night.
August 12th, 2005 at 8:02 pm
August 12th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
I agree with the fisking Jeannie has already received, but would also add …
“until it is BORN, it is inside a woman’s body and SHE MUST have the ultimate, final decision about what SHE will do, or not do, about a baby IN HER WOMB … just don’t assume that pro-life people want to rip little babies from wombs willy-nilly.”
1 - your use of the word “it” is telling in and of itself
2 - it was your decision up until “it” became a life (at conception, BTW)
3 - Ah, but some are having abortions “willy nilly” - using it in place of more responsible, humane, human forms of birth control.
/TJ
August 12th, 2005 at 8:31 pm
And, on a more personal note (note - that I am a kinda’ new father myself) - if those pictures, and the accompanying words, don’t make you sick and/or angry then you are not fully human.
/TJ
August 13th, 2005 at 9:19 am
LOL @ Kender - go, young man, go!
John “HANOI FONDA” Skerry is guilty of war crimes and lying to the people - he should be strung up in a tree and shot at sunrise, along with:
* Stephen Pearcy
* Ted Rall
* Theodore Kennedy
* Tater-Tot Crissy
* Jeannie
Semper Fi; 8th & I; Do Or Die!
Carry On!
Git-R-Done
August 16th, 2005 at 6:56 pm
wow, what a bunch of unloving jerks. I feel it was wrong for her to have an abortion but what ever happened to still loving a person? I’m sure you all have fucked up a bunch of times in your life. Jeannie, I’m sorry people are such jerks. Enjoy your new baby, I’m glad you decided to keep it. Next time though…there is a thing called adoption.
August 25th, 2005 at 4:23 am
Who the **** do you people think you are. How dare you concider you have the right to judge anyone unless you walk in their shoes. I do not agree with abortion myself but that is MY reality MY opinion. No body other than god has the right to judge anybody’s actions however much you dont agree with them. And I have no doubt that none of you have the slightest idea what you are talking about in any event. There is alot of controversy surrounding how much (if any) pain a fetus undergoes during obortion. But there is real hard evidence to show how much pain is felt by unwanted children. Who decides which is the better alternative NOT YOU LOT. You should be ashamed at being so opinionated. I feel deeply disturbed about abortion and it sadens me beyond beleif but I would not dream of expressing that opinion to someone who had gone through the trauma of having one. There are many reasons for having an abortion not giving a **** about the unborn baby is just a small percentage. Lack of education about birth control is the same ignorance that informs bigots like you spiteful nasty peices of work. If your daughter comes home pregnant at 15 let us see how your ill informed opinions change then ay!.
August 25th, 2005 at 5:12 am
Further more one of you is a counselor. As a student who has studied psychology for 5 years I am horrified that your training consists of having such strong opinions about other peoples life choices. Do gooders make me sick pray tell me all you anti-obortionists out there. Do you take an active role in raising unwanted children from hard economic backgrounds with mentaly and physicaly incapable parents or do you just wave banners around outside abortion clinics and go home for tea.
August 25th, 2005 at 5:49 am
Anna is complaining about people intruding on other people’s choices? Is she for real?
Anna has raised so many straw men we could have a barn dance with enough left over for a hoe down. It’s not worth the time knocking them all down but let’s just take your major complaint in that you’re shocked…shocked I say that people sit in judgement on those who get abortions.
There are many who believe that all abortion is murder. This belief transcends politics and is an article of faith. As such, their faith requires them to act on their belief. This is difficult for non-believers to understand because what is actually an expression of faith on the part of anti-abortionists is seen as butting into other people’s business by those who lack that faith. Ann would never DREAM of intruding on someone else’s decision to have an abortion in the same way that she cannot DREAM of anyone having strong enough faith where it actually matters. In short, Anna is suffering from a lack of imagination, a paucity of empathy, and a smug, superior, self serving world view that posits the notion of moral relevancy. Hey! If she wants to murder her baby, it ain’t my business. I care more about “unwanted children” (strawman). I care more about “abused children” (strawman).
I happen to believe that the state has an absolute right to protect any life that’s viable outside of the womb. That includes the little 21 week old fetus at the top of this page, Anna. And as soon as the so called pro choice movement recognizes that BABY as a human being, that’s when the abortion debate will really start.
In the meantime, stop judging others for their beliefs. Isn’t that what you’re accusing them of doing?
August 25th, 2005 at 5:59 am
At least you’ve identified that you’re not on the side of good, Anna. Thanks for the revealing comments. Yes, Rick, she admonishes other people for “judging” but she’s doing what she tells others not to do; she’s a hypocrite. Typical of leftists; these are the rules for you, but I don’t have to abide by them. For someone who claims to be so “educated” in matters like psychology, it looks to me as though Anna needs some serious therapy.
Nice foul language, there Anna. I hope you know that normally I frown upon such language being used unless it’s SSGT Yatahey, who has earned the right to say whatever he wants.
You, however, have not.
I’m constantly amazed by how leftists think they have the right to trash conservative blogs with their hatred and vitriole. Actually, Rick, after the Laci Peterson murder trial, they passed a law which I think they called “Laci’s Law”…which makes the person who murders a pregnant woman guilty of the murder of her unborn child. So I believe that government has recognized the unborn as a legitimate person. The argument with regard to “abused children” and “unwanted children” is moot because there are plenty of couples who are unable to conceive who desperately want to adopt, many of whom have tried fertility clinics and painful fertility procedures in order to produce their own children, but to no avail.
Who can argue that following the Ten Commandments wouldn’t make any of us a better person? Who can argue that helping improve a person’s character would not be good? We’re not talking about some invasive public policy that requires hundred page codebooks. Who can argue with don’t steal, don’t lie, don’t murder?
Abortion is, quite simply, murder. And I’m sorry you don’t like it.
No matter what your education, Missy, no matter what you think you know and how you think you know what’s best for the rest of us, I really don’t care. What’s vastly apparent is that you don’t care about what is morally right. What’s a shame is -the deficit of decency in this country.
More than 42 million babies have been murdered since Roe v. Wade. If those murdered children had lived, today they would be defending our country, filling our jobs, and paying Social Security benefits. 42 million were the baby boom that never blossomed.
We watch as four thousand babies are killed every single day in America. One killed every 20 seconds. All these human beings with all their potential just flushed down the toilet. It’s unbelievable that a nation “under God” would do this. It’s as unbelievable and as cruel as those innocents who were killed in the Holocaust. After those poor innocent souls were gassed, starved and burned, we built museums and monuments to honor them as we should. But today, our nation, which likes to think it has a heart, has torn millions of little bodies apart, cruelly butchered in the most horrible ways imaginable. But no one talks of building a monument to this lost generation of Americans. And far too few even care enough to bring an end to this horror.
There is simply no way to defend partial birth abortion. There is no way to defend using taxpayer’s money to kill a baby. There is no way to explain with any kind of logic why a minor who can’t buy beer or cigarettes can be taken to a clinic where her unborn baby is aborted without her parents ever being told that their grandchild has been killed.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:24 am
Further more one of you is a counselor. As a student who has studied psychology for 5 years I am horrified that your training consists of having such strong opinions about other peoples life choices. Do gooders make me sick pray tell me all you anti-obortionists out there. Do you take an active role in raising unwanted children from hard economic backgrounds with mentaly and physicaly incapable parents or do you just wave banners around outside abortion clinics and go home for tea.
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Isn’t it funny how those who do not wish to be judged are the ones who are the first to start judging. That email has been around several times, you must have gotten it at least once, did you go off on them as well? I have not read all the comments but I am guessing that someone hit a nerve. Do you take care of those children? Are you one your self? Or just seen it happen to many times? I have seen it to, those who I don’t believe should be allowed to have children, but it still does not make murder right. When you see things like that, you report it, that is really all that you can do unless you wish to take on CPS and I wish you would. As for keeping your opinion to your self, it would appear that you save that luxury only for murderers, yet fill this board with all your anger and guilt. If someone you knew was about to kill someone, would you keep your opinion to yourself then? Or would you try to talk to them, reason with them, try to keep them from making the worst mistake of their lives? As the song says, before you judge me, take a look at yourself.
August 25th, 2005 at 9:00 am
Wow I didnt realise I had to have permission by anybody to have my opinion. And you have made plenty of assumptions about my morality too. You seem to know more about it than I do. I didnt make a single judgement about socialy constructed ideas about moral judgments. I was discusted by the way you believe your opinion is the right and only way. Am i to assume then that debate is not on the agenda for this discussion. That only one opinion is ALLOWED to be expressed. And there was me thinking this was a democracy. And allow me to clarify that I was not judging the rights and wrongs of abortion. I was opening up another side to the debate because…….. thats what I do. IF you can not handle that by fighting your argument and feel the need to ilicit a personal vendeta against me then you are all far more narrowly minded than I first realised.
August 25th, 2005 at 9:07 am
Oh and if you want to start hurling 10 commandments at me hows about. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Or here is an 11th commandment though shall not judge when though talks a load of bollox.
August 25th, 2005 at 9:18 am
middle class, american, conservative, cake baking, do gooders. abortion clinic on mondays and then a spot of Klu Klux Klan on a saturday afternoon. An 8 week onlt fetus may have sympathetic nerves but is not capable of abstract thought. A bit like you lot really. Woman loose babies everyday at that stage of pregnancy without even realising they are pregnant. yes I have empathy I disagree with abortion but unlike you people I am able to also empathise with the mother. Exuse me but is she not a human being too.
August 25th, 2005 at 10:10 am
heres a thought for you dumb *****………. lookie i swore!!!! so a woman gets pregnant and doesnt want the baby but like you lot she thinks hey this is a human being not a blob, fetus, **** machine or whatever you would like to call it. i think it deserves the right to live…… what does she do give it a ******* phone call and say hey dya wanna live or what? jesus you yanks are so full of yourselves you really are how many of these “abortions” were accidents, as somebody here said 99% of contraception works what then does she say hey **** it its a person even though i cant deal with it ill have the baby anyways and once they do give birth would you really want to give your baby away after going through nine months of nurturing this human being and what about the many many women that are raped. where do you draw the line what about unborn children that have disabilities hey i could go on for ever but i know that the bigoted idiots in here would have an answer for everything and by the way this isnt my opinion unlike you people in here i have read all you have posted and thought i might piss on your parade with a few realities.
August 25th, 2005 at 10:19 am
“Anna has raised so many straw men we could have a barn dance with enough left over for a hoe down.”
Now, I find that funny!
Lop-eared; buck-tooth; Bohemain; Alligator-breath; Leftie-MORON … seems like you really do NEED TO READ YOUR BIBLE!
Apparently, you haven’t lived long enough to realize there are many instances where Abortion is the only option many women can turn to — especially, if they and/or their Hubby/Boyfriend don’t want the child period — we’ll all pray for you blatant ignorance and stupidity.
“Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots.”
John “HANOI FONDA” Skerry is guilty of war crimes and lying to the people - he should be strung up in a tree; shot at sunrise; kicked in the nuts; get married to Cindy Sheehan and ran out of America along with:
* Mister Carlos
* Michael Moore
* Stephen Pearcy
* Ted Rall
* Theodore Kennedy
* Frank Church
Git-R-Done With New Rope!
August 27th, 2005 at 5:31 am
I am actually a conservative!
Trying to structure your life around the bible is rather like trying to buy a new sofa from an out of date argos catalogue. If your god is so judgemental and vindictive that you lot are the people in his image I dread to think whats coming !!!!! Took my best friend to have an abortion yesterday was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do but my love for her transends her actions.
August 27th, 2005 at 5:43 am
You’re a conservative? In what sense? I suppose you might be considered a “conservative” based on what’s popular in Amsterdam, but…they’re not exactly a capitalist country. The fact that you masquerade as an American is at the very least disingenous. You might be technically an American citizen, but you don’t live here, just like Dianne Maire, who left because she’s a communist and was “afraid for her life”. Gosh, the lies you people tell! I bet she’s really feeling left out with all that’s been going on with Cindy Sheehan in Crawford these days.
What, do you where conservative clothing? I actually can see how “conservative” you are by the company you keep. Dianne Maire, who considers herself the “real left” aka a communist–cheers you on. So how are you a conservative again? I’m terribly interested in that. I don’t know of any conservative with a cheering section made up of self-proclaimed communists.
I can see what values you embrace by the company you keep. You might call me a critical thinker. That’s a scientific term, since you’re so well-educated, perhaps you’ve heard of it.
You have also claimed to be a Christian, but then you turn around and say you “hate” do-gooders. You claim that Christianity is “outdated”. How is it that Christianity has survived this long? How is it that so many people have turned to home schooling their children because they want to teach their children family values rather than what’s being taught in the schools these days? I think you’re fooling yourself with that kind of hateful rhetoric. Your hatred of Christians is showing. Considering the company you keep, do you also promote the killing of Jews to “free Palestine”?
You’ve come here and admonished me for “not being a good christian” because you think I “judge” others. So I responded to you back in February with this piece and here. Funny thing is–you don’t respond to the very reasonable explanations, you come over here in attack mode. You’re not interested in what I have to say, you just want people to listen to YOU.
I find that funny because the purpose of this blog is for me and my opinions, not for you and yours. I pay for the bandwidth and I don’t particularly relish the idea of allowing idiots to trash my comments’ section with insults aimed at me, etc.. So if you have something of value to share with us, Anna, I’m dying to hear it–particularly how you consider yourself a “conservative”.
It’s very apparent that you know very little about the bible (like most leftists) but you turn around and use it to insult people, put them down, and belittle their faith (I’ve seen this a lot from leftists, because they believe only their point of view should be heard.). You have this need, I guess, to feel superior over others, I guess that’s one way to do it, but you’re certainly not making any friends over here.
But at least you provide some entertainment value.
August 27th, 2005 at 4:36 pm
“I happen to be happily 26 weeks pregnant at the moment. Once previously, I was pregnant and decided NOT to become a mother.”
IMO… you weren’t FIT to be a mother then and you sure as hell aren’t Fit to be a mother now…you can’t claim ignorance since you have seen the evidence… you are fully culpable.
If you don’t know what they are…you are not qualified to determine what they will be!
You sound like someone who raises CATTLE!
EXCEPT… the cattleman KNOWS what the value is of the calf and you haven’t even come UP to that level.
August 28th, 2005 at 5:31 am
Isn’t pressuming and critasising me for being a leftie as you put it exactly the same as admonishing jews and every other faith that doesnt fit your criteria. Im English not American and i vote conservative because I value the free market system. Nothing to do with bibles and religion. And a critical analitical thinker recognises 2 sides to a story so you are obviously neither. And if your blog is only for your comments perhaps you should specify that I see no prohibition notices anywhere.
August 28th, 2005 at 5:49 am
No, not exactly. I’m just pointing out that what you claim isn’t the truth. If I examine your position on issues and who your cheering section is, you’re a liar. I’m glad you agree with the “free market system” as you call it, but then why are communists like Dianne Maire and Philippe cheering you on? They don’t cheer for capitalism, they cheer for communist agitators like Code Pink, International ANSWER, Veterans against the War and all those groups who want to install a communist utopia. Hell, even Carla from Preemptive Karma (also of the same communist ilk) is your buddy.
Here’s a bulletin for you: I don’t admonish Jews–it’s leftists who do that. They’re the ones who want to push the Jews into the sea and believe in freeing imaginary “Palestine”. You don’t actually absorb anything you read here, do you? What you said right there about my feeling about Jews is an absolute lie. I have Jews in my family. I’ve been to Temple. I’ve participated in Ba’at Mitzvahs and Bar Mitzvahs and listen to Torah readings. Judaeism is actually the roots of Christianity. Christ was a Jew. And also while I’m on the subject, Christianity is tolerant and loving towards all faiths; unlike Islam, so you’re barking up the wrong tree trying to tell me I’m a Jew-hater. I’m not a muslim or an Islamic nut who wants to kill Jews–it’s the leftists who talk that rhetoric and have buddied up with Islamic radicals like CAIR. It’s leftists who are trying to re-write history and say that the Holocaust was a lie. I know survivors of the Holocaust and have listened to their horrible stories and watched their tormented faces and cried with them. I think what you’re insinuating there is that people on the rightwing are Nazis, but you should take a close look at the history of the muslim brotherhood, Hitler’s persecution of the Christian churches. Hitler was a socialist (which leftists always deny).
Your position on Christianity is also telling–it’s the same position the communists take–they want people to shut up about their faith in public. They say that the founders were “secularists” or “deists” and our laws were not based on the Bible. They push for removing any remnants of our judao-Christian heritage from view. You agree with all of that. You admonish me for my faith and tell me that Christianity is “outdated”.
You see in some ways you “talk the talk” but you don’t “walk the walk”. Conservatives are mostly people of faith or are outraged over what happened to Terry Schiavo, they support the “right to life” rather than “pro choice” in all matters. But you don’t take that position. And I could go on and on….but perhaps you should take a look at the Republican platform to see what the issues are rather than claim to be a “conservative” but reveal yourself to be anything BUT.
It’s also a matter of supporting marriage between one man and one woman, for the purpose of procreation and the protection of our children. You know, old-fashioned family values.
So don’t come here pedaling your lies, it doesn’t work because I know better. It isn’t just one issue, my dear, it’s a plethera of issues and you’ve revealed yourself to be standing on the other side on just about every one.
And don’t you realize this isn’t a an open discussion forum? Blogs are for the writers of the blogs to post their opinions. Are you so breathtakingly stupid that you don’t realize that? We pay for the bandwidth to post our opinions. This isn’t a free soapbox for idiots to leave their troll droppings. I have comments open for my readers to share their opinions on a subject, but I could just close comments down the way Powerline or Michelle Malkin or many of the big blogs have; or require commenters to register to post comments. (Which I may just have to do, anyway. This is getting annoying.)
What’s amazing to me is how far off topic you guys take the discussions in these threads! It’s hilarious, but it’s also sad.
Try to stay on topic, and mind your manners, ok? And also–read my Rules of Engagement and the Addendum if you want to know what the rules are here. I’m not responsible to hold your hand if you’re so dependent and helpless and unable to think for yourself.
August 28th, 2005 at 7:42 am
Cao,
Yes you are right about me questioning your faith I have no right to do that and I appologise for that much. But surely you must acept that I am as entitled to my opinion as you are yours. I possibly should not have left a post I thought it was an open topic did not realise it was alloted to a select few. Cao I was not supporting one view or the other in my original post I was a little alarmed by the violent response one of your guests had left and felt compelled to defend another human being. The origonal debate was about abortion not my political preferences, frankly both labour and conservative ideologies leave alot to be desired. My point which I obviously did not articulate well enough because of my emotional state of mind at the time was that even by the bibles volition, it is not our place to judge but his-do you see my point. Further responses have mearly put me on the defensive. I do not agree with abortion when a prefnancy is at a stage as shown above no way at all. But the woman that have abortions do so for reasons which we may not understand. To stand there and shout MURDER is perhaps unproductive and insensitive. I fell pregnant at 17 was unmaried and in hard economic conditions at the time but I chose to keep my baby-he is 12 now and my life. I believe people can overcome terrible diversity and keep babies but perhaps not everyone feels they have the strength to do so. Maybe do you think anger should be illicited to society and there inability to nurture rather than at individual mothers.
August 28th, 2005 at 7:51 am
You may not appreciate or even be interested in what I have to say but the irony of it is I came across your forum when trying to find out more information about abortion to assist my friend. And I feel it is much easier to sway peoples views when your own are not vehemently ramed down their throat. When I am trying to argue for a particular perspective in psychology it is by recognising another as valid, but pointing out the strength of mine by backing it up with evidence-not going on a personal diatribe about how **** it is and how a moron must have written it. YOu are obviously an intelligent person by the way you write so why call me names?
August 28th, 2005 at 9:03 am
Actually on this issue the other side of it isn’t valid at all, if that’s psychologically damaging that’s because I don’t subscribe to the leftist psychological social programming that touts “I’m ok you’re ok”.
**** are ok, it’s just a “lifestyle choice”, pedophiles should be allowed to come out so they can commit more crimes against children, the North American Man Boy Love Association should be thrust into the mainstream and be allowed to buy advertising, and let’s not forget–
Consider what’s inside the womb when a person is pregnant. Is it a tree? Is it a bird? No, it’s a baby. It only needs to be given the chance by its mother and it’s disgusting that I even have to say that.
Mother Teresa wrote: “The nation that will kill its child in the womb of its mother has lost its soul.”
August 28th, 2005 at 11:12 am
Anna — you’re still a blubbering idiot and not using any listening skills.
*** Pay very close attention ***
Jesus Christ was; is; and always will be a J-E-W — what part of that don’t you comprehend???
This is NOT a Psychology Class, you 3-legged twit!
Please — swallow the rest of that big bowl of ENGLISH DUMBASS for breakfast — if you’re looking for info on ABORTIONS; obviously this is NOT an Abortion Blog (although many, like you, do fit in to the “Aborted” class) — you should be doing a Google Search for MEDICAL SITES DEALING WITH ABORTION!
FYI — no one is “raming” it down your throat — we’re RAMMING it down your “Bloody English” throat!
August 29th, 2005 at 9:46 am
Well firstly I wouldn’t even dignify Yatahey with a response I generaly dont hold conversations with people lower down the food chain than me. I dont recall anywhere in the bible anyone refering to anyone as an ENGLISH DUMBASS. In fact people that need to insult using stereotyping lack the intelligence to put their point across any other way. I feel sorry for him I would rather die a thousand deaths than be as stupid as him. I dont believe being *** is a life style choice I believe it is a biological determinant and to be honest lol so does every other psychologist I know. Gender differentiation is difficult to determin just looking at genetalia. Some people are born with male genetals or even both. I think what is important is not your sexual preference but how you are as a human being. whether your altruistic and selfless.
August 29th, 2005 at 9:48 am
Oh and by the way……… this blog came up when putting abortion is the google search bar. ha ha ha ha ha ffs cracks me up when people try to insult and get it wrong better wipe that egg of ya face mate
August 29th, 2005 at 10:09 am
FYI–Homosexuality was taken off the list of pschological disorders of the American Psychiatric Association because of pressure from political groups in the ’70’s, not because of new science.
You’re an idiot, Anna. Plain and simple. You’re in total denial about what’s going on around you…which isn’t the US which is probably part of your problem.
As much as you claim you’re educated you seem very ill-informed, and very un-educated to me.
August 29th, 2005 at 10:34 am
LOL Anna - typical Leftie talking out of both sides of your mouth; you said you wouldn’t dignify me with a conversation — but, like all Communists, you lied.
I imagine you’re gulping down another big bowl of STUPID this morning as you said this — “I dont believe being *** is a life style choice I believe it is a biological determinant and to be honest lol so does every other psychologist I know.”
You aren’t “BORN ***” stupid dip-**** — the fish-eyed faggots, and rug-munchers (you most likely fit that category) MAKE THE CHOICE at some point in their pathetic life.
August 29th, 2005 at 10:55 am
Anna - I’m going to point out more of your “Bloody English” stupidity; let’s take a look at what you wrote:
“Oh and by the way……… this blog came up when putting abortion is the google search bar.”
Re-read the sentence you English Bull-**** — you DID NOT find this Blog by doing a Google search, because I tried it two different ways, and went thru numerous pages and it DID NOT come up!
Here’s where your ENGLISH DUMBASS shows thru clearly:
Abortion
Abortion Blogs
Even when I view the Source Code on this Blog, there are no “keywords” that trigger a Google search for Abortion!
Then too; you’re obviously not a Webmaster — now, go pick up that dog bone I threw to you and leave the neighborhood.
August 29th, 2005 at 4:03 pm
Anna…
“I dont believe being *** is a life style choice I believe it is a biological determinant and to be honest lol so does every other psychologist I know.”
Myth: In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality from its list of “disorders.” Homosexual behavior should be considered normal.
Reality: The decision to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) was made after APA leaders and members had endured several years of intense political pressure and disruptive lobbying efforts by militant homosexual activist groups. (Ronald Bayer, “Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis,” 1981) Homosexual activist groups pressured APA committees to remove homosexuality from the APA’s approved list of disorders. In spite of the long documented history showing that therapists have helped homosexual clients reduce and change their homosexual tendencies, professionals who persist in viewing and treating homosexuality as a changeable condition are labeled unenlightened, prejudiced, homophobic, and unethical. There is currently a movement within the APA to normalize pedophilia that appears to be following the same path to legitimization as homosexuality. See Fast Facts #1-3, 4-23, 35-40, 41-58, 77-82
Myth: The mental and emotional problems that homosexuals experience are due to the straight community’s persecution and intolerance of their lifestyle.
Reality: If this were true, then one would expect to find lower rates of suicide and mental illness among homosexuals in areas where homosexuality has been mainstreamed and widely accepted for decades (i.e., San Francisco, European countries, particularly the Netherlands). However, research shows that there is no reduction in the rates of suicide, mental illness, substance abuse, alcoholism, and homosexual domestic violence in areas where homosexuality is more widely accepted. High rates of emotional trauma in homosexuals are not induced by society but rather are the result of deviant behavior that assaults the emotional and physical health, of those who engage in homosexual sex. See Fast Facts #1-23, 24-34, 35-40
Myth: Homosexuals are powerless and oppressed by society.
Reality: Homosexuals are one of the most powerful special interest groups in the U.S. Their success in passing special “***” rights legislation is unprecedented. Their opponents are silenced by cries of “homophobia,” and their cause has been taken up as a major plank in the Democratic Party’s platform. Their political power goes way beyond what would be expected of a minority that makes up about 2 percent of the population.
Myth: Research shows that there is a “*** gene.” Homosexuality is genetic.
Reality: Homosexuality is not a genetically encoded condition. Contrary to media hype, there is no conclusive or compelling empirical evidence showing any absolute biological, genetic, or hormonal causation for homosexuality. Homosexual activist and molecular biologist Dean Hamer’s study claiming the existence of a homosexual gene has been scientifically discredited. Studies that claim to prove homosexuality is genetic have been purposefully designed from a homosexual advocacy perspective and seek to convince society that homosexuality is innate, psychologically normal, and thus socially desirable.
There may be a possibility of the existence of a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality, which is far different from causation. But even this possibility is far from scientifically proven. Predisposition toward something does not mean that it is inevitable, or that such a predisposition cannot or should not be resisted and overcome. Some people may have a predisposition to alcoholism, yet we do not affirm their disposition, but rather treat their condition and help them change. Current evidence suggests that environmental, familial, and personal influences contribute significantly to the development of homosexual tendencies. Seventy years of therapeutic counseling and case studies show a remarkable consistency concerning the origins of the homosexual impulse as an uncompleted gender identity seeking after its own sex to replace what was not fully developed in childhood. (NARTH.com)
Although individuals who experience homosexual attractions and thoughts may not have chosen these tendencies, they do have a choice as to whether or not they will act on the feelings. It is the acting on these feelings that constitutes homosexuality. Many people have left the homosexual community and live successful heterosexual lives, which often includes marriage and raising children. See Fast Facts #73-83
August 29th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Anna…
“I dont believe being *** is a life style choice I believe it is a biological determinant and to be honest lol so does every other psychologist I know.”
Myth: Research shows that there is a “*** gene.” Homosexuality is genetic.
Reality: Homosexuality is not a genetically encoded condition. Contrary to media hype, there is no conclusive or compelling empirical evidence showing any absolute biological, genetic, or hormonal causation for homosexuality. Homosexual activist and molecular biologist Dean Hamer’s study claiming the existence of a homosexual gene has been scientifically discredited. Studies that claim to prove homosexuality is genetic have been purposefully designed from a homosexual advocacy perspective and seek to convince society that homosexuality is innate, psychologically normal, and thus socially desirable.
There may be a possibility of the existence of a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality, which is far different from causation. But even this possibility is far from scientifically proven. Predisposition toward something does not mean that it is inevitable, or that such a predisposition cannot or should not be resisted and overcome. Some people may have a predisposition to alcoholism, yet we do not affirm their disposition, but rather treat their condition and help them change. Current evidence suggests that environmental, familial, and personal influences contribute significantly to the development of homosexual tendencies. Seventy years of therapeutic counseling and case studies show a remarkable consistency concerning the origins of the homosexual impulse as an uncompleted gender identity seeking after its own sex to replace what was not fully developed in childhood. (NARTH.com)
Although individuals who experience homosexual attractions and thoughts may not have chosen these tendencies, they do have a choice as to whether or not they will act on the feelings. It is the acting on these feelings that constitutes homosexuality. Many people have left the homosexual community and live successful heterosexual lives, which often includes marriage and raising children. See Fast Facts #73-83
August 29th, 2005 at 4:14 pm
Anna…
Myth: Homosexual behavior is innate. Homosexuality is “what a person is.”
Reality: What a person does (behavior) should never be equated with what a person is. No human being can or should be reduced to his or her sexual impulses. Impulses cannot compel behavior or identities without a person’s consent. If people “are” their actions, then what does that say about the thief, the anorexic, the prostitute, or the marathon runner? Ninety-eight percent of the population does not define their very being and purpose in life by their sexual behavior. See Fast Facts #73-83
August 30th, 2005 at 4:57 am
Tip for all of you loboink illustrates how to have a proper debate what a breath a fresh air he has brought to your blog you should thank him he redemes you all. Manages to put his point across articulately without needing to resort to personal insult once that is how intelligent people conduct conversation. In any event yogerty or what ever ya name is. HOW THE FU** DO YOU THINK I FOUND THE BLOG YOU IDIOT. lmfao. word of mouth ha ha ha!!. Abortion 21 week old fetus in the google search bar you will find this blog the fourth one down.
August 30th, 2005 at 5:28 am
Oh grow up, Anna. What are you, a first grader? wahhhh you people are picking on me!
Are you going to simply ignore the personal attacks that you’ve engaged in -right here in these comments? How we’re uneducated and stupid, and how you have x number of years of psychology (so therefore we don’t know what we’re talking about) blah, blah, blah…?
So what have you got to say about Loboinok’s point?
I pointed out the same exact thing.
Homosexuality wasn’t removed from the American Psychiatric Association’s list of mental disorders because of SCIENCE, but rather, because of POLITICAL PRESSURE.
Now what does that say to you, Anna?
I’m getting sick of your comments, Anna, you don’t respond to any questions directed at you…but you expect us to fit into what you think is appropriate behavior. If you don’t appreciate that we point things like that out about YOU, that’s just tough.
You don’t make the rules here, dear. I DO.
August 30th, 2005 at 7:55 am
Typical Leftie-Annie — first, she states; “Oh and by the way……… this blog came up when putting abortion is the google search bar.”
Now, the Bloody English twit says; “HOW THE FU** DO YOU THINK I FOUND THE BLOG YOU IDIOT. lmfao. word of mouth ha ha ha!!”
She’s just pissed because we caught her in a trap, and is trying to cover up her lies … sounds just like a damn foreigner.
August 30th, 2005 at 8:13 am
Typical, she sets up rules for everyone but herself. Hypocrite! And she didn’t answer the question about what makes her a conservative? I suppose you could be a Nazi in some areas of the world and be considered a “conservative”. Communists are always calling Nazis rightwing–Heck, the Baathists in Iraq were Socialists but in the new Iraq constitution they talk about Baathists/Nazis as one in the same.
I’m thinking I should cut off any further comments on this thread since she’s not answering any of our questions and the whole discussion has gone completely off topic. What do ya think, SSGT?
August 30th, 2005 at 8:28 am
You’re the BOSS M’lady — it’s your Blog; but I do agree.
October 10th, 2005 at 11:54 am
i am a 14 yr old from england and i stumbled across this site while researching for an englich speech i am currently writing. there is no need to sweat i am fighting against abortion and hate the very thought of it. i think Anna needs to go screw herself somewhere because she obviously thinks the sun shines out of her arse. if she does not beleive in contradicting somebody elses opinion then why the **** has she written on this site. the picture on the top of this site made me heave as i cannot stand the thought of that baby being destroyed for no ******* good reason. i have also found some other pictures that physically made me heave, if you are interested go to http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/additionalimagesaborted.htm i am not joking i have never seen anything so sick.
October 21st, 2005 at 4:21 pm
erm cao im just wonderin if this site has been cut off or wat coz no 1 has written 4 lyk sooo long.
October 21st, 2005 at 8:58 pm
If you hit the “home” at the top, you’ll get to my front page. I write on this site every single day–several posts usually go up every day unless my internet is down. At least that’s if I’m understanding what you said correctly.
November 1st, 2005 at 2:44 pm
just because a person is pro choice the ultimate result is not that they are a baby killer and shouldnt be prosecuted for their own beleifs and the child they are carrying shouldnt be called a “fucktard” if you are as immature as you sound you need to find another website to read sweetheart
November 1st, 2005 at 2:48 pm
ultimately it is a woman’s decision and in all reality if every woman gave birth thjinkk of how many children would be in foster care and if you haave any knowledge of the foster care in this country i think your somewhat explicit remarks to another commenter would differ
November 6th, 2005 at 6:29 pm
Pro choice simply means a woman should have the right to murder her child without anybody interfering. And that includes the man who had something to do with it. I’ve seen some websites where women actually call the baby a parasite. I suppose that kind of jargon makes it more comfortable for women to kill their little babies like some kind of a cockroach before the child gets the chance to grow up and become a person that you could actually ask: do you want to die today, honey?
That’s cold; it’s heartless; and it’s a symptom of a sickness in our society that relegates human life to that of a litter of kittens…that could be drowned in the toilet.
November 8th, 2005 at 7:08 am
I believe life is full of beauty and that we were created by God. He has a plan for each of us. We would be fools to think that this is the real life. This life is only a crossing into eternity. I personally would not mess with the creator’s plan. Each child is a gift from God. Could you imagine on judgement day God saying to you, “what did you do with that precious gift I gave you?” How would you respond? “Well God I could not afford a child, I was too young, or it was not the right time in my life.” There are not illegitimate children only illegitimate parents. Look at Lance Armstrongs mother she had him very young and she raised him on her own. Look today at what that boy grew up to be. I also believe that God will not give you more than you can handle. Years ago there was a lady I went to church with who got pregnant and the doctors were concerned about her health because they had diagnosed her with cancer. They thought it would be in her best interest to abort the pregnancy. But she kept her faith and trusted the one who made her and everything turned out just fine. Now her son is grown up and from what I hear is a youth minister. You see I believe the devil seen that plan in the making and wanted to try and do everything he could to change it. It is hard to do what is right in this world today. We live in a society where faster is better. If everyone slowed down and looked around at this world and let their soul breath in what their eyes won’t let them see. They would see things in such a different light.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:15 am
Anna, I sympathize with you. You’re kind of getting ganged up on. But as much as I agree with EARLY TERM abortion, I think that it is and should be something a woman is ashamed of. YES it is your right to do it, as it should be. But don’t be so proud to post it online and expect everyone that has beautiful loving kids at home to understand Why you did what you did. It’s all in your state of mind. I don’t think it is something you should get ill at others for not agreeing with. Just try to move on and not have unwanted pregnancies in the future. To everyone else… to err is human.
April 1st, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Cao you are an idiot and a plain loser. You make all these pro-life comments….this coming from a loser who has pictures of Osama Bin Laden flashing on the side of this page. You are the true loser here my friend yet you glorify a mass murderer on your site and call it a tribute. Who is really the sick one here????? YOU!!
April 7th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
It is so sad to see that so many pro lifers and pro choicers alike continue to use Ad Hominem to defend their positions. How about instead of calling each other names for our differences of opinion we actually address the real issue which comes down to what makes a person human. What is our human nature and is it possible to know for sure? Until both sides can start addressing the most basic point at hand there is no hope for agreement, which I think could be reached if human beings use reason to the fullest. So, instead of calling each other names for whatever position is held, why don’t we look at the age-long argument a little closer and get to the most basic by using our most basic human characteristic; Reason, to the fullest.
April 8th, 2008 at 3:58 am
I’m so sad that lefty pro abortionists sling rocks and use the same excuses for their failed arguments…when abortion is one of the primary assaults on the family today.
Abortion is simply a terrible injustice which is systematic, heartless and cruel; and destroys the most innocent and helpless members of the human race.
Everyone who supported slavery was free
Everyone who supports abortion was born.
That’s how oppression works
“they’re not really people…” - how many times have we heard that before throughout history to justify genocide?
April 8th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Cao, I agree with you when you say that it is an assault on the family today and a terrible injustice and destroys a human life(I wasn’t sure if your last post was against me or someone else). What I’m trying to get at is why is it an assault on the family today? Why is it a terrible injustice to abort a fetus/human being/blob of tissue(whatever the definition of choice may be)? Shouldn’t we first be able to define what makes it a fetus/human being/blob of tissue first, apart from science or faith? I think we can, it’s going to take hard work though, it’s going to take much discussion to get to that point. Are you (not specifically you, I mean everyone) willing to leave your feelings and name calling out of this and commit to the use of reason to settle this dispute?
April 8th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
There should be no difficulty in defining what results from a pregnancy if it is allowed to go to full term, unless you’re a complete MORON.
It isn’t an elephant; a grasshopper, a tree; or anything else; other than a PERSON.
It is NOT a ‘blob’ of tissue, as the picture on this post demonstrates…that little one grabbing the fingers of the doctor through the womb was only 21 weeks old. If you can read that story and not have some compassion for the unborn, you are a heartless unfeeling individual. Life begins at conception; and babies are not ‘parasites’.
“Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).
“Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being.”
[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]
One Keith Sterkeson —a friend of of the Northern Illinois Women’s Center owner, Wayne Webster — was particularly candid in his progressive views on abortion. A small exerpt:
It’s no wonder it’s called Rockford’s Auschwitz.
In closing, I opened comments on this post in order for someone in Australia to perhaps be able to see it. I am now closing comments again…this post is almost a full 3 years old and was originally published in 2005.