9/17/2005
A Thankful and Resolute Iraq
Perhaps a few people noticed that, when President Bush took responsibility for the federal response to Katrina, he was being visited by Iraqi President Jalal Talabani. I find it of extreme importance to maintain focus on Iraq and the Global War on Terrorism, especially given the other happenings of national importance in recent weeks — not to diminish Disaster Katrina or the Roberts hearing, but to elevate Iraq.
To this end, the The Washington Times published a commentary by Hiwa Osman, media advisor to President Talabani. In “But for the U.S. and its Allies,” Osman lavishes praise on America even as he trumpets the achievements of the nascent Iraqi democracy. Excerpts:
[…] The Iraqi president conveyed a thank-you message from the people of Iraq, who were empowered to vote last January, for making a democratic Iraq a reality. But this will not be it. The two men will quickly realize that both of them are in one trench, they are fighting the same enemy — the al Qaeda terrorist organization.
Just over two years ago, the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein was in power. He was using his power to kill innocent Iraqis and was using the affiliates of al Qaeda to spread carnage, death and destruction in areas of Iraq he could not reach.
The group of Ansar al-Islam in Iraqi Kurdistan, formed on Sept. 1, 2001, is an affiliate of al Qaeda that killed many innocent civilians before they were kicked out of their mountainous strongholds near Iran by the joint U.S.-Iraqi offensive as the war of liberation was taking place in the rest of Iraq.
Today, thanks to the United States and its allies, a young democracy that elected Mr. Talabani is in place. But the enemies of Iraq and the United States are doing their utmost to undermine the new Iraq and prove that the “Western model of democracy does not work in the Middle East.”
[…]
Those who committed the September 11 atrocity are today killing Iraqis and are conducting a campaign of terror in any place in the world they could get to — London, Madrid, Sharm el-Sheikh, Turkey and Lebanon.
Iraqis and Americans know that the terrorists of al Qaeda have no objective but death and destruction; they thrive on it.
They showed no remorse for any human suffering. After Hurricane Katrina, Mr. Talabani told Mr. Bush in a message of condolences: “We would also like to reassure you that at these difficult times in Iraq, and as we mourn our dead in Baghdad, our thoughts and prayers are with the people of New Orleans, Grand Isle, Gulfport, Biloxi, Mobile and all other areas hit by the hurricane.”
With glee, the leaders of al Qaeda were exchanging messages of greetings and congratulating each other for “the start of the end of America.”
Regardless of the country, the beliefs and political opinions, the terrorists of al Qaeda are fighting one war, and so should the two leaders who met yesterday in Washington. They should be aware of the reality that they are facing one enemy, an enemy that is merciless and wants to bring nothing but death and destruction. [emphasis mine]
As Mr. Talabani’s fellow citizens are busy establishing a democratic, pluralistic and federal Iraq, they have become a main target for the terrorists and those who want to see America fail.
Iraqis know that America is a friend and democracy is possible in the Middle East and the terrorists want to prove it is not.
The people of Iraq are fighting them on two fronts: by building a security force and by having an inclusive democratic political process for all Iraqis.
[…] While the people of Iraq are grateful for the protection that the United States is providing, their presence and help is vital until Iraq can stand on its feet.
Furthermore, Iraqis have just completed one of the most important documents in Iraq’s history, a draft constitution that enshrines many of the values of the free world.
[…] Next month, Iraqis will vote on the draft, and a higher turnout than the January election is expected. Although the draft constitution is very likely to be ratified, ratifying it or not is not relevant. The important point here is that the snowball of popular participation will create a sense of ownership of the new Iraq among those who are reluctant to accept it and are being exploited by the terrorists.
This in addition to America’s continued engagement with Iraq will isolate the terrorists and eventually eradicate them.
If the Iraqis believe in their hearts that we will eventually eradicate the terrorist threat, then this is wonderful – and much more than many Americans seem to believe at this time. We too, as the Iraqis, must remain resolute.
Do you STILL believe that this war in Iraq was ill-conceived? Besides Mr. Osman’s comments above, there is considerable evidence that outlines the connections between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s Iraq and emphasizes the importance of fighting the good fight, for the long haul.
It is my deepest belief that the Islamofascist jihad for a new caliphate is the single most important threat to our country. Not only Iraq’s freedom, but our freedom, and that of our collective children, are at stake.
A slightly modified version originally posted at TMH’s Bacon Bits
Thanks to The Political Teen
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September 17th, 2005 at 2:23 pm
Osman’s claim that the people fighting against them want “nothing but death and destruction” seems naive. Certainly their goal involves death and destruction, but I don’t believe it is their end goal. Cao, I’d be curious to hear your response to this article. It’s a little long, but delves a bit into some possible deeper motivations. One being that of “great spectacle”, they want to show that America is not invincible, to recruit more people to their cause.
“In Holland, at one of the centers, the number of people who accepted Islam during the days that followed the [9/11 attack] were more than the people who accepted Islam in the last 11 years.”
I think we risk defeat if we can’t clearly understand what the enemy wishes to accomplish. Saying it’s “nothing but death and destruction” is irresponsible. If the goal of the 9/11 attacks was baiting the US to invade an Islamic country, they succeeded. We should understand their next objective more clearly so we can see they don’t reach it. Evidently they seem less interested in destroying military items than ones of importance to American status and prestige. We can’t win if we aren’t playing the same game as them. I would love it if the “snowball of popular participation” Osman predicts actually happens, I hope that prediction proves to be not as naive.
(Side note: In your site header, isn’t the hand in military gear with a Bible sort of playing into the hands of the enemy a bit? They want to cast this as another invasion by the “Crusaders”, Christianity against Islam again.)
September 17th, 2005 at 3:07 pm
> Do you STILL believe that this war in Iraq was
> ill-conceived?
The war in Iraq is already lost. The only winners are Iran and Haliburton.
September 17th, 2005 at 3:25 pm
Derek, the idea that this is not a religious war is ridiculous. I think one of the problems that we’ve got today is that we’re not listening to the religious rhetoric the jihadis are spouting.
Actually, the military has a proud tradition of having military chaplains to minister to them while they’re in the field. These are not heathens. George Washington commanded that his troops pray, stop swearing, and attend services on Sundays.
In 1917, when the troops were preparing to invade Belgium and France during WWI, Roosevelt wrote a message that was given to the troops inside the Bibles that were given to them by the New York Bible Society. He began by giving a striking Biblical call for a life of balance, what he called Micah mandate.
Saying that the whole teaching of the New Testament is actually foreshadowed in Micah’s verse, he exhorted the men to
In his brief message to the soldiers he explained,
I have a piece up here called “The Warrior Code“…which talks more about the Micah Mandate. Another is called “Faith in the Battlefield“.
That article you linked to–doesn’t recognize these are muslim extremists that yelled “allahu akbar” as they smashed their planes into the towers…or who celebrate the death of each jihadi because he has achieved what they’re all looking for–death in the cause of jihad, which presumably will get them more rewards (virgins or little boys) in the afterlife.
To deny that the muslim terrorists are muslims, to deny that what they’re trying to accomplish is sharia law over the world–they’re actually looking for world domination, to rid the world of western civilization and to install another caliph. To deny this means you haven’t read the texts of Bin Laden’s speeches; you haven’t read the transcription of the speech in the Nick Berg beheading video.
These people plainly and clearly believe this is a religious war. We are approaching this via some strange secular place, but make no mistake; our boots on the ground are faced with the enemy every day and understand precisely what they want to accomplish, and watch them as they hide behind women and children to escape gunfire, and watch them as they use their own mosques’ rooftops for snipers to kill our soldiers, as carbomb factories, as weapon caches.
There is a virtual Christian revolution going on with our American soldiers in the holy land–getting baptised in the Euphrates river, conducting loose and informative Bible studies and are reading books such as “The Purpose Driven Life”.
Many interesting books are available on the subject, as a matter of fact.
The Faith of the American Soldier
Back in Action
A Greater Freedom: Stories of Faith from Operation Iraqi Freedom
There was a Christian writer and filmmaker who asked me not long ago to post a request for faith-based stories from the soldiers in Iraq.
There is a movement afoot that is not being covered. Our faith is strong. Our resolve is unshakeable.
I’m tired, I’ve been very busy today and have more work to be done tomorrow but I can take up this discussion again some time tomorrow when my head is clearer.
September 17th, 2005 at 3:27 pm
That’s pretty funny. The boots on the ground don’t think we’ve “lost”. I have a son over there right now, and that’s not what he’s saying. What they want is for us to continue to support them.
The anti-war crowd is working towards a humiliating defeat by forcing us to surrender, but do you think that’s going to stop the jihadis from doing what they’ve taken a blood oath to accomplish–to destroy us? If you’re too weak in the stomach for the fight, that’s just too bad, you’re not the one fighting it.
The boots on the ground overwhelmingly support the President and the mission in Iraq, and if anyone should know how it’s going, they should.
Over 3 years we’ve had less than 2,000 killed. In Vietnam, we had over 50,000. I would say these are pretty good numbers. During Vietnam, we were winning on the ground just like we’re winning in Iraq–the problem was the anti-war movement at home and the media harping on the casualties, and taking up the leftist cause.
In less than three weeks, around 100,000 of our troops defeated Saddam’s 400,000 troops. But then the situation turned, and foreign fighters started sneaking into the country, blowing themselves up for the cause of jihad. These aren’t even Iraqis that we’re fighting right now…members of Zarqawi’s band of thugs.
I’m going to do everything within my power to not let “Vietnam” not happen again…which means we have to stand up against the anti-war radicals who are crying and lamenting over …what? Freedom for the Iraqi people? Or is it their hatred of Bush?
Check out Michael Yon’s blog…or this piece or just look up Iraq and Military in my archives. Honestly, your “arguments” are getting more and more flimsy over time. Don’t you guys come up with anything new other than that socialist propaganda that’s spoonfed you from the likes of Michael Moore, etc.??
By the way, that’s a guest blogger’s piece, he’s The MaryHunter from TMH’s Bacon Bits. Maybe you ought to go over and harrass him about the War for Oil, Halliburton and all those elementary school slogans you guys parrot and the leftist Michael Moore stalinist bologna.
So you’re talking the same way as the American Nazi party, and I’m supposed to take you seriously?
FreeRepublic.com
Protest Warrior
RightMarch.com
Military Families Voice of Victory
Support the Troops Weekend
The Wide Awakes
Bad Example
Or check out a couple of Iraqis who support the war ..and check out the Iraqis in their blogroll. Mohammed and Omar at Iraq the Model are pretty good examples of what I’m hearing out of Iraq….which is contrary to the leftist spin on the whole thing. Omar said just yesterday:
What we need to do is continue to support the Iraqi people and continue going after the foreign fighters because Zarqawi is switching tactics, hoping to gain traction somehow. Fairly recently he sent a letter to someone high in Al Qaeda’s organization, lamenting “my God, this is suffocation!” These guys aren’t even faking a victory anymore the way the Iraqi Information Minister used to.
There are countless bloggers who support the War on Terror and the mission in Iraq and Afghanistan. Thank God you anti-war people are in the minority.
Looks like you’ve got a whole lot of people to harrass, you better beat feet so you can get to them all, lol!
September 17th, 2005 at 4:45 pm
Either that, Natasha, or start doing a whole heck of a lot of reading and learning, to make yourself a better American.
September 17th, 2005 at 9:28 pm
It sounds like you’re blog header is appropriate for how you feel about it. I guess I wasn’t expecting the claim that America was in Iraq for religious reasons. So, I agree that our enemies see this as a religious war. You indicate you also see this as a religious war. Are you saying that you see this as a religious war between Christianity and Islam? I guess I’m confused as America does not have a State religion, rather State religion is specifically forbidden by our Constitution. I agree there’s a lot of ways to cast this as a war of ideologies. Perhaps “Americanism” against Islam. Just curious your take.
“World domination” is another possible motivation I guess, although it seems less realistic to me than Danner’s proposal, civil war in Iraq to show that the US can be defeated and encourage more to stand up and resist the “Crusaders” who wish to destroy Islam. So far they seem to pick realistic, achievable goals (and seem to do a good job of achieving them).
And actually, the US army does include “heathens.” There’s no religious requirements at all. Ask the Chaplains. It’s generally about as diverse as the rest of our population, including Muslims, Jews, homosexuals, atheists, lots of people that don’t exactly share your beliefs.
Democracy and freedom are what we’re told we’re fighting for, right? Unfortunately democracy and freedom don’t always go hand in hand. The draft Iraqi constitution states no law can be established that contradicts with “the undisputed law of Islam.” But I guess religious freedom was never realistic. Religious freedom means you can’t legislate your religious beliefs onto those that don’t share them, and I don’t know that we even achieved that in the US. Possibly why they refer to us as Crusaders.
Osman has an older article where he tries to explain his thoughts on the terrorist’s motivation. He touches on some of the same points, though I do find it less comprehensible and compelling than Danner’s article. I think one point I found compelling about Danner’s article is that we play into their hands a lot by refusing to discover/acknowledge their true motivations. They’re fighting the war on a completely different battlefield than us. We have to outsmart them, and I’m not sure we’re on the right path to do that.
September 17th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
I chose the header, thanks for saying that, but it’s really neither here nor there. Am I supposed to feel flattered that you approve?
I didn’t say we were in Iraq for religious reasons. I said examine the rhetoric of the jihadis who use the Qu’ran as their justification to fight. To them, it certainly is a religious war. The reasons we went into Iraq was because Saddam was a sponsor of terrorism. Terrorism is an extension of Islam. And there you go. It’s a religious war TO THEM, and it’s touching the faith or the nonexistence of faith of our soldiers, and getting them in touch with their God.
I’ve already answered that.
That’s right. We are supposed to live under the concept of “religious freedom” which liberals don’t seem to understand. They seem to think the “establishment clause” prohibits any public exercise of religion. I’d like to know, then, why the 10 commandments are in courthouses across the country, why the founders based our laws on the mosaic laws, and why people in court put their hands on the bible and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth so help them God? And why did I say the pledge of Allegiance as a child which said “one nation under God” in it? And why did we have Christmas pageants and Christmas concerts?
Are you even aware that the Bible was taught in public school in the ’60’s? That’s not mandating religion, that’s just “training up a child in the way he should go so he would not depart from it”.
It’s Western culture against Sharia law. Western culture and all its accoutrements–all of the luxury–all of what they see as sin–as opposed to Sharia law which is totalitarianism–where women aren’t allowed to go out in public without being covered from head to toe, and get beaten by the religious police if an arm or a leg is showing.
Another possible motivation? You mean you haven’t seen the films of them yelling it?
I don’t have time to answer this. I’m not saying the US Army or the Marine Corps is 100% Christian. You’re taking some of this way off the beaten track, and I’m not sure what your motivation is.
I have been watching the Iraqis very carefully and reading Iraq the Model. They do have some exceptions in that Sharia law/Islam business. It’s not totally Taliban stuff.
I don’t know who Osman is, and I don’t particularly care at this point, I’m too tired. I don’t understand what you’re saying about “they’re fighting the war on a completely different battlefield than us”. Do you mean this? Yes, they fight differently; they fight like cowards. They hide behind women and children. They use mosques as carbomb factories and weapons caches.
I see this as a religious war–a clash of ideologies. I’ll get to the “crusader” part in a moment.
The reasons why we’re in Iraq is because Saddam Hussein was a sponsor of terrorism, and he had lied repeatedly to UN weapons inspectors. We gave him an ultimatum and he didn’t budge. So–After we took down Saddam (which only took 3 weeks)-when the liberals said we would undergo terrible casualties which never happened, Al Qaeda eventually stepped in…and that’s who we’re fighting there right now…Zarqawi’s bunch. They are very much fighting a holy war against the infidel. But even Saddam’s rhetoric was using some of those catch phrases that Bin Laden uses. He even had “allahu akbar” put on the Iraqi flag.
The President’s rationale for the war was contained in his September 12, 2002 address to the United Nations General Assembly. He did not refer to an al-Qaeda link. He did not refer to an “imminent threat” (the third malicious falsification put forward by proponents of the Big Lie). What the President said was this:
The UN resolutions that Saddam had defied were constituent elements of the truce that Saddam had signed at the end of the Gulf War and the condition under which the allied forces allowed him to remain in power. Saddam violated that truce. The 2003 Iraq war was in fact the resumption of the hostilities of 1991 that had been interrupted to allow Saddam the chance to comply. (In fact, they were only partially interrupted since the United States and Britain flew continuous sorties over Iraq throughout the decade of the 1990s). Many critics of the war argue that Saddam should have been appeased once more, and given more time to comply. That is a reasonable (if morally distasteful) argument. To claim that the Bush Administration misled the American people and waged the war under false pretenses is not.
It isn’t Iraqis that we’re fighting in Iraq, many Iraqis are standing alongside us fighting the foreign fighters. They don’t appreciate these people coming into their country wreaking havoc. As Mohammed and Omar are talking about at Iraq the Model, they hate Zarqawi and his band of thugs and want freedom for Iraq. You can read their blog and the blogs in their blogroll to find out about how Iraqis feel about it–not the former Baathists (Saddam’s Socialists) who lament Saddam’s demise…but the people who remember what it was like when Saddam was ruling–Iraq was a virtual concentration camp above ground, and mass graves below ground.
25 million people liberated from one of the most sadistic tyrants of modern times, the establishment of a military and intelligence base in the heart of the terrorist world. What well-meaning person could oppose this? A terrible tyrant was taken down. The filling of mass graves with 300,000 corpses were stopped. Plastic shredders for human beings were deactivated. Prisons for four to twelve year olds were closed. A democratic constitution has been drafted. Two-thirds of al-Qaeda’s leadership is gone. There hasn’t been a terrorist attack in America in more than three and half years, something no one would have predicted after 9/11. By any objective standard, the Bush war on terror is a triumph.
What the Islamists want is to make Islam dominant in the world, and force the rest of us who are not muslims into submission, like it says in the Qu’ran. I want to fight that and make sure everyone in the US remains free to practice whatever religion they wish. (But that’s a whole other ball of wax–we’re fighting socialism here, and we’re fighting the political correctness that would have us NOT capture terrorists thanks to organizations like CIAR) That’s my idea of freedom; I don’t necessarily believe this is JUST a war between Christianity and Islam. It’s a war between the people who would resist living under Sharia law and the Islamists who want to impose it.
Millions of Jews, Christians, Hindus, etc., –what muslims call “unbelievers” have been killed at the hands of Islamists. We cannot ignore what they’re trying to achieve–we need not only to understand it, but to fight it with every fibre of our beings. We are fighting for our very survival.
They want to rid the world of Western culture and build a bridge back to the 7th century. Under Sharia law there are no choices; it’s totalitarianism and terrible for women and minorities.
There is a 3-part interview with Robert Spencer that’s very informative–each part is about 20 minutes long. He clearly spells out exactly what it is we’re facing.
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
I’ll try to get to this tomorrow…I’m terribly tired right now…up too late.
September 17th, 2005 at 10:47 pm
Ok. On the Crusades.
The Crusades were defensive conflicts. Bill Clinton said:
Such usage is quite widespread. In this analysis, Clinton curiously echoed Osama bin Laden himself (see How Bill Clinton sold our children to Islam), some of whose own communiques spoke of his oganization not as Al Qaeda but of a “World Islamic Front for jihad Against Jews and Crusaders” and called in a fatwa for “jihad against Jews and Crusaders.”
Shortly before the beginning of the Iraqi war that toppled Saddam Hussein, on November 8, 2002, Sheikh Bakr Abed Al-Razzaq Al-Samaraai preached in Baghdad’s Mother of the Battles mosque about
When Islamic jihadists bombed the U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, in December 2004, they explained that the attack was of a larger plan to strike back at “Crusaders”;
“One of the crusaders’ big castles in the Arabian Peninsula”? Why would Islamic jihad terrorists have such a fixation with thousand-year-old castles? Could Clinton be right that they see the Crusades as the time that their troubles with the West began, and present-day conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan as a revival of the Crusader ethos?
In a sense, yes. The more one understands the Crusades–why they were fought, and from what forces within Christianity and Islam they sprang–the more one will understand the present conflict. The Crusades, in ways that Bill Clinton and those who bombed the consulate in Jiddah only dimly fathom, hold the keys to understanding the present world situation in numerous ways.
Misinformation and half-truths about what Islam teaches and what Muslims in the United States believe have filled the airwaves and have influenced public policy.
Much of this comes in the analyses of the “root causes” of jihad terrorism that took so many lives on September 11 and has continued to threaten the peace and stability of non-Muslims around the world. It has become fashionable among certain media people and academics to place much, if not all of the blame for what happened on September 11, 2001, not on Islam and Muslims, but on the United States and other Western countries. A pattern of mistreatment of the Islamic world by the west, say learned professors and self-important commentators, is continuing. It began centuries ago, they say-at the time of the Crusades.
But, in fact, the seeds of today’s conflict were planted much earlier than the first Crusade. In order to understand the Crusades properly, and the peculiar resonance they have in today’s global conflict with Islamic jihad terrorists, we must begin with a survey of the prophet of Arabia and the religion he founded. For the Crusades were fundamentally a reaction to events that were set in motion over 450 years before the battles began.
When Bin Laden killed innocent non-combatants in the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, and later his co-religionists captured and beheaded civilian hostages in Iraq, American Muslim spokesmen blandly asserted that this target of innocent people was forbidden by Islam. This was debatable, since some Islamic legal authorities allow the killing of non-combatants if they are seen as aiding the enemies of Islam in war. However, even if the principle were correct, it would give way to another that rose out of the Nakhla raid: “Persecution is worse than killing.” And therefore, to fight against the persecution of Muslims, by any means necessary, is the highest good.
Mohammed, (570-632) the prophet of Islam, was a man of war. He taught his followers to fight for his new religion. He said that their god, Allah, had commanded them to take up arms. And Mohammed fought in numerous battles. These facts are crucial to anyone who really wants to understand what caused the Crusades centuries ago, or in our own time, what has led to the rise of the global jihad movement.
In the course of these battles, Mohammed articulate numerous principles that have been followed by Muslims to this day. Therefore, it is important to acknowledge Mohammed’s battles, which provide insight into today’s newspaper headlines–insights that continue to elude many analysts and experts.
Raiding the Quraysh in 622. The Battle of Badr in 624. The Battle of Badr was the first practical example of what came to be known as the Islamic doctrine of jihad–a doctrine that holds the key to the understanding oboth the Crusades and the conflicts of today.
Mohammed vs. Jesus
Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Matthew 5:44
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, who ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Qu’ran 8:60
September 18th, 2005 at 12:41 am
Interesting interview. He makes some interesting points. I agree the Islam/terrorism connection is a bit of an elephant in the middle of the room. It should be discussed and it was interesting to hear his take on it.
I think I would place the threat differently though, not directly on Islam. All the ancient texts of the desert religions have lots of violence. As the host mentions the Bible has also been used to abdicate violence. Perhaps the problem is more of religious states based on those texts. Whatever the solution is, it is not our stated goal and I think the goals of “Freedom and Democracy in Iraq” are too vague and simplistic to successfully lead us to a solution.
Do you feel like the Bush administration understands the situation as Spencer describes it? I feel like Islamic politics is the area Bush seems more .. clueless. He plods through the delicate intricacies of the politics of Islam like bulldozer in the children’s sandbox. He seems to speak using words that play into their fears. He naively led us to think that Saddam was the problem, that terrorism was the problem, that “evil” was the problem, when they are only symptoms of a problem too complex for him to wrap his brain around.
If we need to protect ourselves from Jihadist interpretations of the Koran, what’s the best way to do that? I feel like, from the Danner article, “we’ve taken a ball of quicksilver and hit it with a hammer.”
September 18th, 2005 at 12:52 am
Derek wrote;
“They’re fighting the war on a completely different battlefield than us. We have to outsmart them, and I’m not sure we’re on the right path to do that.”
No Derek, we simply have to hunt them down and kill them.
September 18th, 2005 at 5:46 am
Interesting. What knowledge to you have of the faith of Islam? Ex-muslims at Faithfreedom.org think differently; and they have personal experience with Islam to call from. These are people who have left the muslims faith. Now leaving the faith of Islam is different than leaving any other faith. Because if you leave Islam, you become just like any other “infidel” and a target for death. So these courageous people are trying to teach from their website, what the Qu’ran really says.
Ali Sina is the owner of that site, and in his letter to mankind, he says:
A Letter to Mankind
Dear fellow human,
Today humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities take place on daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to destroy us. The agents of this evil respect nothing; not even the lives of children. Every day there are bombings, every day innocent people are targeted and murdered. It seems as if we are helpless. But we are not!
The ancient Chinese sage Sun Zi said, “Know your enemy and you won’t be defeated”. Do we know our enemy? If we don’t, then we are doomed.
Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists kill for an ideology. They call that ideology Islam.
The entire world, both Muslims and non-Muslims claim that the terrorists have hijacked “the religion of peace” and Islam does not condone violence.
Who is right? Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or do those who decry them? The answer to this question is the key to our victory, and failure to find that key will result in our loss and death will be upon us. The key is in the Quran and the history of Islam.
Those of us, who know Islam, know that the understanding of the terrorists of Islam is correct. They are doing nothing that their prophet did not do and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape, assassination, beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead “to delight the hearts of the believers” were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him and were observed by Muslims throughout their history.
If truth has ever mattered, it matters most now! This is the time that we have to call a spade a spade. This is the time that we have to find the root of the problem and eradicate it. The root of Islamic terrorism is Islam. The proof of that is the Quran.
We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the evil and have risen to warn the world. No matter how painful the truth may be, only truth can set us free. Why this much denial? Why so much obstinacy? How many more innocent lives should be lost before YOU open your eyes? A nuclear disaster is upon us. This will happen. It is not a question of “if” but “when”. Oblivious of that, the world is digging its head deeper in the sand.
We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop with excuses, justifications and rationalizations. Stop dividing mankind into “us” vs. “them” and Muslims vs. Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind! Muhammad was not a messenger of God. It is time that we end this insanity and face the truth. The terrorists take their moral support and the validation for their actions from you. Your very adherence to their cult of death is a nod of approval for their crimes against humanity.
We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being politically correct lest they hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To Hell with their sensitivities! Let us save their lives, and the lives of millions of innocent people.
Millions, if not billions of lives will be lost if we do nothing. Time is running out! “All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.” Do something! Send this message to everyone in your address book and ask them to do the same. Defeat Islam and stop terrorism. This is your world, save it.
The ex-Muslim Movement
faithfreedom.org
September 18th, 2005 at 5:47 am
Whose take? And did you really listen to it? When I read your comments it strikes me that you didn’t. If you’re going to ask questions but not listen for the answers, what good is the discussion?
You really don’t understand the teachings of the Bible, obviously. The Bible doesn’t condone violence, the Bible condones self-protection and the protection of the innocent. It rules out murder, but killing someone in self defense is justified. Now you’re talking moral relativism. Islam and Christianity are not equal. And if you really listened to that interview, you would already have an understanding of how the teachings of the Qu’ran and the Bible are different…how Islam is a religion of war, how there were 3 stages but War with the Infidel is for all time. It’s the peaceful coexistence Qu’ranic verses that organizations like CAIR quote from, but these verses no longer apply. This is according to muslim scholars! Other religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity do not preach killing of the infidel, they pretty much go by the Golden Rule; Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Islam has no such verses. Islam says that people of other religions should either die or submit to Islam (in Dhiimitude), or convert, and that forcing people to convert by pushing a sword at their necks is justified.
Saddam was a support for terrorism. I don’t believe Bush is “naiive” at all, and now you’re letting loose with some of that arrogant elitist **** about Bush being “stupid”. He has a whole cabinet advising him. What I find is interesting–is so many people are “blaming Bush” out of their Bush Derangement Syndrome and don’t realize there are more people responsible for going into Iraq than just this one man. I’ve already talked about the rationale for the war so either you didn’t read what I wrote or…you didn’t read what I wrote. Frankly, I’m too busy to engage anyone in a discussion who doesn’t listen to the answers to the questions. Go back and read the answers.
As far as Bush understanding what it is we’re fighting, I can’t imagine that he doesn’t, although it would appear with his entertaining Grover Norquist and CAIR and other extremist groups at the whitehouse who support terrorism, that something is terribly wrong. What exactly is going on there, I can’t ascertain as of this moment.
But I DO know that men like Mahmoud H. MAAWAD who was arrested in Tennesse, the four men who were arrested in California, Kevin Lamar James, Levar Haney Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson, and Hammad Riaz Samana, who were allegedly plotting terrorist attacks, including the use of guns and explosives to “maximize the number of casualties to be inflicted.” –these arrests are ongoing. Yes, we have Islamic radicals here in the US who are trying to inflict harm on the “infidel” and the western way of life. So this is a war that is being fought on many fronts–not only in Iraq, but also on our own soil.
To deny this is simply sticking your head in the sand for the sake of political correctness.
Capitulating to them is absolutely the wrong thing to do. The liberal take on war is always feed the alligator so he eats you last. I say kill him and we don’t have to worry about it.
Actually it’s not only the jihadists’ interpretation of the Koran. Actually, if you really listened to that interview, you would have heard that isn’t the problem. It’s the millions of muslims who have remained silent over beheadings and terror attacks that is also the problem. The problem is mainstream muslim clerics are preaching murdering the infidel and hatred of America from their mosques, based on the Qu’ran. They’re using the Qu’ran and the hadith to recruit more suicide bombers. And the relatively peaceful muslims have no verses they can refer to that tells them to do otherwise. According to Islam, you either live inthe House of War (you’re an infidel and they must wage war against you), or you’re in the house of Islam (you’re a muslim). There are no two ways about it.
And if you listened to that interview, you also know that organizations like CAIR are considered MODERATE GROUPS! And CAIR was started by members of Hamas, a terrorist organization! So because you’re not really interested in my answers, I’m not interested in going around and around with you. It’s like being with a 4-year-old who keeps asking “why?”
These people have been attacking us since 1968. You think the attacks are going to stop–their goal of global domination is going to stop because we decide the fight is no longer worth it? Since when is defending our way of life no longer worth fighting for?
Benjamin Franklin said “The tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of tyrants and the patriots.”
It’s unfortunate, but that’s the way it is. There are forces in the world who hate America. Most of them are socialists and communists. Even here in America there are forces who are working with the jihadis to destroy our way of life as we know it; capitalism, Christianity, religious freedom, etc.
The best way to do them is to kill them, as Kender says. And remain in the proactive mode for as long as it takes. I think we should cut social programming and ramp up the military. Increase defense spending and make sure we’re prepared with the best possible weaponry and the best possible protection for our boys…who have volunteered for this mission…and CRUSH THEM.
Israel is right; there is no appeasing, there is no reasoning, there is nothing that will stop them. They’ve vowed to kill us, so the only option is to kill them first. Fighting them is our only choice, and we are doing it right now. We are winning the fight in Iraq, we just need to stay the course and ignore the people who either don’t have family fighting, or have joined the international socialist community that defends Saddam Hussein…and claims to have lost the stomach for it. Our cause is just. Fighting Al Qaeda is the only way we’re going to remain free and preserve our way of life for future generations.
Thank you for your comments.
September 18th, 2005 at 8:12 am
Derek, its really quite simple to me. Call it what you will. Perhaps it is a battle of ideologies. What it comes down too, in my opinion is a spiritual war, not a religious one. Prayer is the most powerful weapon we have in this war.
Really simple, the extremist Muslims are raving mad lunatic killers. Their motivation doesn’t matter, they’ve been killing like ignorant animals from days of old. It isn’t going to stop unless someone stops them.
If we don’t get out of the political correct rhetoric, we very well may just lose this war.
September 18th, 2005 at 8:58 am
The scope here is non- or in-human. Dar-al-Islam, the House of Islam, must someday, somehow overcome Dar-al Harb, the House of War, that is-the non-Islamic world, the place you and I call home. As Sayid Qutb, the radical Egyptian intellectual and great influence on Bin Laden wrote in his book “Milestones”, a kind of Muslim version of Mein Kampf,
THAT is their narrative. That is their apocalyptic script. It’s what gives meaning to what they consider their struggle and sacrifices, and fuels the obscenity of their homicidal martrydroms. And ours? What myth, what storyline does America and the free world use to sustain our morals in this conflict?
What better way to use American power and ensure our own safety than with such a grand strategic effort–democracy in the middle east? How better to transform the post-911 American trauma into a secular crusade for freedom and democracy?
I admire George Bush’s commitment to the liberation of Iraq. I applaud his challenge to the dithering UN. I yearn to hear him call for sacrifice on the part of the country and to frame the war as a moral conflict.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:53 pm
ARGH!
Today’s dose of NIF - News, Interesting & Funny … Talk Like a Pirate Day edition, ARGH!