5/29/2006
Murtha’s rush to judgement: Ilario Pantano responds
Ilario Pantano, in my opinion, is one of the heroes of this conflict who paid a severe and unnecessary personal price for fighting the war on terror the way it needs to be done; by killing the enemy.
We should be taking no prisoners; we should not be ‘kinder and softer’, we should be rough and tough and taking the fight to them, as the President has said.
This is war, people, not tiddly winks.
War should be a war of attrition; to see that the enemy dies FIRST.
Pantano’s comments on Murtha’s rush to judgement in the case of the Haditha incident which the media is all up in arms about- appeared yesterday here at the WaPo.
Murtha said,
“Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood.”
This is the kind of thing we heard from the pro-communist John Kerry during the Winter Soldier “Investigation”. Many of us have heard this crap before from leftists who oppose our war effort; if they cared so much about ‘innocent Iraqis’ they would keep their mouths shut so we could WIN this war and bring the boys home rather than prolong the fight and make it more difficult to fight it with bureaucratic red tape and cries from terrorists about ‘inhumane treatment’, blah, blah, blah.
How many suckerpunches to our armed forces are we going to tolerate from the media and their associates in government?
See California Conservative’s post on “Murtha’s Memorial Day Tribute: Accusing US Military of a “Coverup”"
See Kit’s post on her opinion of what happened at Haditha, lol…
Michelle Malkin Part I on Haditha and Part II
Listen to a marine who was there at Hot Air, hit by an IED before the Haditha incident.
Red Hot Cuppa Politics rounds up the key points in that video here.
Vinnie at the Jawa Report has a perspective I think I may have heard from a girl before.
Smoking adderall. linked with Adderall purchase without prescription.
And Rightly So! linked with I Stand With the Marines
CatHouse Chat linked with I believe in our Marines!
The Wide Awakes linked with Murtha’s Rush to Judgement: Pantano Responds
Atlas Shrugs linked with Atlas Quickie Vlog
Ogre's Politics & Views linked with Haditha
euphoricreality.net linked with An Unpopular View of Haditha
May 29th, 2006 at 10:19 am
What did Murtha say that was demonstrably false?
It seems to me that you would prefer to have the killings at Haditha swept under the rug. Is that really the sort of “honor” that Americans want our soldiers to embody?
May 29th, 2006 at 10:52 am
I didn’t say anywhere or at any time it was ‘false’. I said, and Ilario Pantano said, it was a ‘rush to judgement’.
Get a clue, meatball. The investigation isn’t even over yet and Murtha is claiming ‘they killed innocent civilians. How does he know that?
How do YOU know that? How do you know that what he’s saying is true? Was he there? Were you?
What makes you so sure that what he’s saying is true? What exactly makes it a good thing? Because of the damage it inflicts to our cause? Because of the impression it makes on the average Joe who doesn’t know the GOOD stories coming out of Iraq?
That last statement you made that I’d ‘prefer it was swept under the rug’ is a lie, but it goes along with the rest of the pablum you spew. I’d prefer that we didn’t publicize this until we know what the facts are, that’s what I’d prefer, ok? This does irreparable damage to the war effort, which you will not, of course, acknowledge. But some people recognize this for what it is, and that’s why
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and others are all talking about it, why shouldn’t I? Many have said that if this is true, they perpetrators need to receive a stiff penalty for their actions. I am more inclined to reserve judgement considering cases like Pantano’s from the past. As Rusty says,
Is it because you don’t have faith in the men and women who are serving and don’t support the WOT? “Not supporting” and ‘undermining the mission’ are two very different things.
I call this sabotage.
Did you even bother to read the article by Pantano? Pantano was also on the receiving end of this **** from leftists before the inquiry was over. And he was cleared, and now they have egg on their faces, although it ruined his military career.
That’s what appears to be what you people are looking to accomplish with these attacks and that’s outrageous; ruin the careers of people who have the balls to fight.
So now we have people attacking the people with the balls to fight, standing outside Walter Reed harrassing our war wounded and their families, and defacing military recruitment centers.
The depiction of our military as less-than-honorable in these situations even before the facts are known is the problem here, and from Murtha it’s even worse; he claims to have been part of the brotherhood of Marines and a former Marine. Is this how our former military treats their brothers standing in harm’s way to protect us from an enemy who has already attacked us on our own soil once already?
I find this behavior despicable from ANYONE, but particular from an elected representative while we are at war with an enemy who raises their children to kill themselves for Allah as long as they murder infidels while they’re at it, and who’ve taken a vow to destroy our way of life.
Liberals have been wrong about everything in the last half-century. They were wrong about Stalin, they were wrong about Reagan, they were wrong about the Soviet Union, they were wrong about the Abraham Lincoln brigade in the Spanish Civil War, they were wrong about Nicaragua, they were wrong about welfare (generations of government-dependent families of fatherless households), they were wrong about crime, they were wrong about social security (now bankrupt), they were wrong about the Civil Rights act (which was never going to be used as a weapon against whites), they were wrong about the sexual revolution (witness the explosion of AIDS, herpes, chlamydia, hepatitis B, and abortion).
Not to mention their being on the wrong side of every conflict we’ve ever been engaged in.
Your lies and attacks on me are corrosive of public debate, which is no surprise, most conversations with leftists are like that. Serious political debate only takes place among conservatives-out of earshot of children so as not to upset them. For about twenty years now, all new ideas have bubbled up from the right wing. It’s amazing how productive debate can be when one is not constantly being called a liar or a racist, lol…
Almost by definition all new ideas are ‘rightwing’ whether dubbed ‘conservative’ or ‘libertarian’. Where are the great liberal thinkers?
School Vouchers, Welfare Reform, the FairTax, Quality of Life Crimes, Privatizing Social Security, Videotaping Criminal Confessions, the Strategic Defense Initative, Pollution Tax Credits, Enterprise Zones, and Winning the Cold War. These ideas were ridiculed by liberals.
“Shut up!” is all you’ve got.
Let’s wait to see the results of the military’s investigation into the Haditha incident, and then and only then should we discuss the criminality or lack of thereof of the individuals involved.
They didn’t hold back on Abu Ghraib - (much to the ACLU’s delight) - although the media had a field day with that also before the facts were known.
You guys are doing absolutely nothing to help win this war - and absolutely everything to undermine it, destroy our efforts, prolong the length of the conflict, insure more American deaths as a result, and are seeing to it that our boys won’t be able to pre-emptively kill terrorists before the terrorists kill them, etc.,etc..
You might think our men and women who are fighting deserve it, but I don’t.
I want to see their hands untied by bureaucratic red tape and be able to do the jobs they were sent to do -absent anti US and anti-military caterwauling.
Murtha, in my opinion, is doing the terrorists’ propaganda campaigning for them. I’m sure Bin Laden sent him a thank-you note with a coupon for Starbucks.
May 29th, 2006 at 12:33 pm
Murtha, in my opinion, is doing the terrorists’ propaganda campaigning for them.
True, and this may be the most destructive aspect of the left’s irresponsible posturing on the war.
Winning against an insurgency requires convincing the enemy to give up. Defeatist expressions from our side encourage the enemy to continue the fight.
I have to wonder how many Americans have been killed because of Mr. Murtha and his comrades.
May 29th, 2006 at 1:36 pm
“What makes you so sure that what he’s saying is true?”
At no point have I indicated that I believe this. What I see, and what I have commented on, is your desire to suppress any discussion of the events at Haditha.
“Your lies and attacks on me are corrosive of public debate…”
Cite the specific “lies” I’ve told about you, Cao. Explain how ‘public debate’ is corroded when you are criticized.
I had no idea you were so very important.
“Is this how our former military treats their brothers standing in harm’s way to protect us from an enemy who has already attacked us on our own soil once already?”
There is no substantive evidence that Iraq had any involvement in the 9/11 attacks. (Don’t bother screeching about this, Cao. Bush himself has stated this.)
So… what “enemy who has already attacked us on our own soil once already” are we fighting in Iraq?
“‘Shut up!’ is all you’ve got.”
Except, of course, that I’ve never demanded that you, or any one else, should ’shut up’. You, on the other hand, seem to be of the opinion that Murtha and other critics of the war should shut up. I suggest that your credibility suffers when you project your own tactics on others who do not employ them.
“I want to see their hands untied by bureaucratic red tape and be able to do the jobs they were sent to do -absent anti US and anti-military caterwauling.”
Are you saying that you want a war where no rules apply to the actions of our military at all, and a country in which anyone who disagrees with the conduct of the war is forced to shut up?
Hmmmmm…
May 29th, 2006 at 3:18 pm
Are you saying you want the rules to be in favor of the terrorists that you support?
Guess that’s not a stretch, lol…you conveniently sidestep the point that was made about how leftists are prolonging this fight and costing us American lives, and that doesn’t seem to bother you one iota.
I will repeat the statement since you apparently don’t read very well and are chosing your talking points very carefully to twist what it is I’ve said here.
I’d prefer that people not rush to judgement on this thing, the same as Pantano said, and the same thing I’ve said several times not only in the post, but in comments now.
Brett pointed out that he wonders how many Americans have been killed because of Mr. Murtha and his comrades.
A good word he chose there was ‘comrade’.
I would prefer that this wasn’t the case. I’d prefer that you acted more respectfully toward our men and women in uniform and didn’t politicize and inflame hatred for our soldiers and airmen over something that hasn’t even been proven yet.
Whose side are you on, anyway? I guess I already have my answer, lol…
Since I seem to have to repeat myself in answer to your questions, it would seem that you’re not very good at reading comprehension. You ought to take a course in that. Are you ADD or something?
By the way, here’s yet another example of people who are thinking along the same lines as I am; from Frontpage Magazine’s WAR BLOG (which doesn’t seem to have links for individual entries which is a shame):
Ever hear of ‘innocent until proven guilty’?
You might want to research that one, lefty. Doesn’t apply under the Taliban and communist countries, though…and for some strange reason I get the feeling you don’t believe in this concept. I wonder why.
Brett already said it, but it bears repeating since you don’t read everything (and I love it when you’re all sweaty and breathing hard because I’m not doing what you say):
Winning against an insurgency requires convincing the enemy to give up. Defeatist expressions from our side encourage the enemy to continue the fight.
And henceforth, whatever **** you throw at me, I’ll just take stuff I’ve already said and put it up as an answer.
I’ve already answered your talking points; you have no new ones. You realize that, don’t you? You repeat yourself constantly like an old bum sleeping on the park bench reaching for his wine bottle in a paper bag.
May 29th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
the left is sewing seeds of hatred and before long they wiill reap the whirlwind effects of it.I only wish that we had some really tough as nails people in this nation again to call for Murtha’s head,this is one of the reasons the GOP is in trouble;too damn scared of the left,what in the hell can they do,unless you allow them to have free reign and of course we the damage.Him,Durbin,Gore,Carter,Clinton,and the rest of the losers should’ve had a rope around their necks!The American people are too weak right now to take such an action,only way they will is if we are attacked again then all bets are off!Cao you were right about what Happened with LT.Pantano,we are seeing the horrible affects of fighting war stupidly,meaning from a position of weakness,too many of these types in armed forces now,and in strong positions in the Pentagon,they need to thrown out,it is a fact that they are failures,you can’t treak failure,so are these worhtless pieces of garbage still in control.Another that makes me angry is after this week what the Congress did to us was a lot worse than what those Marines are “accused”of doing and they haven’t been punished yet,because arrogant weenies think the laws don’t apply to them.That grates on me really bad!I think it is time for this republic to get serious about its future,because we have a lot of unserious and dangerous people in our government who forget that they are citizens of this country not the world,as they would have us to believe.I would like to know too why in the hell don’t we deport these terrorists loving ******** of the left and send them to Iran or Pakistan,and let the chips fall where they may!As I said before these are stupid people!:mad:
May 29th, 2006 at 4:25 pm
These people consider themselves ‘elitists’ who know better than we do and want to reign over us. I find it so interesting that Meathead keeps telling me what to do on my own blog. He wants to be the ‘ruling class’…or thinks he is a part of that already because he talks the lingo.
Funny thing is…just like with John Kerry’s school record, when it all comes down to brass tacks, these people aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer.
They have very little recollection of true history, many are holocaust deniers (like terrorists are) and seem to have very little knowledge of the content of the founding documents, haven’t read the founders’ papers, letters or books, and many times are historical revisionists (saying the founding fathers could be compared to the terrorists in Iraq for example [”freedom fighters”]), not to mention anti-God; saying your religion should be “private”. This is just a feigned attempt at making their religion the basis for public and political power over us; which I will reject and fight until my last breath.
The founders had a strong belief in God and even supported Bible study (the Bible was, in fact a school book until the 60’s) and teaching from scripture in public schools was recommended. Teaching those principles doesn’t force anyone to be a Christian; it just exposes them to beautifully simple rules for every day living; the benefits of which are a civil society. Without it, as we’ve already seen, things start to go to hell in a handbasket right quick.
Their claim is ‘tolerance’ and ‘peace’ but I find nothing ‘tolerant’ or ‘peaceful’ about any of this.
If they’re so ‘tolerant’ I’d like to see them be more ‘tolerant’ of dead terrorists and have a better understanding that civilian casualties (like the 3,000+ that we experienced on 9/11) are a part of WAR. There is no getting around it. But bringing people up on charges for murder for that is completely wrong. We don’t intentionally go after civilians; but terrorists do. There’s a difference.
May 29th, 2006 at 5:09 pm
Meathead,
“What did Murtha say that was demonstrably false?”
How about this one
“Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood.”
1) How does he know IF they overreacted
2) How does he know WHY they overreacted if indeed they did
3) How does he know the civilians were innocent? (The cold blood thing is redundant — if they were innocent, then it was cold blood no matter WHO did it).
Perhaps none of these are demonstrably false, but it’d be the same as me asking you, “Hey, Meatball, when did you stop buggering little boys?” Kinda hard to get past the accusations to the trial, isn’t it?
Like Cao stated earlier, what about innocent until proven guilty? Neither I, and probably Cao, want anything swept under the rug. What we want is for the press to quit trying the damn incident and let the military get own unimpeded with its investigation. Then when we have a trial (which will be in a courtroom, not on the editorial pages of the NY Times), they’ll either be convicted or found not guilty. Let the trial be the story, not the ruckus Murtha’s dragging up. And don’t say the military will sweep it under the rug, either. My Lai was in the process of being dealt with by the military (Lt. Calley and several others had already been charged with crimes) before the American press and people even found out about it.
Our troops are there doing what I imagine to be a very tough job. It’s not their fault that they were sent, and right or wrong, they’re in the process of bringing democracy to an area that badly needs it. They don’t need politicians flaming off at the mouth on something they know nothing about, and even if Murtha is privy to every bit of evidence the military can provide, in this country we do offer the presumption of innocence — a pretty important concept for a politician to be aware of.
Now if you take that concept and have a politician violate it during a time of war, what do you think that does to troop morale? The sole reason for Murtha taking the stance he has is to generate publicity for himself and his party by having the “hawk” turn into a “dove” right in front of our eyes. Essentially he’s saying, “See, the Democrats are right!”. It’s his party, and I understand party loyalty, but it’s coming at the expense of the troops.
That, in a nutshell, is why the Democrats have vacillated and lost elections over the last few cycles — that have no values. Oh, they say they do, but they can’t name them, and they can’t agree on them. They’ll even sucker-punch the troops while engaged in battle on foreign soil.
I’m pretty sure that what Cao was referring to when she said, “Shut up is all you’ve got” is the fact that Dems and Libs are really good at sidestepping issues Republicans and Conservatives bring up, all the while demanding that we answer their concerns. All they know are their talking points, and you can’t move them off that. That stiffens the debate, and makes it completely one-sided and inflexible — hardly worthy of the name “debate”. She wasn’t implying that you told her to shut up, only that you had not addressed her questions/issues.
“There is no substantive evidence that Iraq had any involvement in the 9/11 attacks.”
The issue is not Iraq, the issue is terrorists, and you cannot tell me that Iraq did not support terrorists. The Council on Foreign Relations states that:
“Saddam Hussein’s dictatorship provided headquarters, operating bases, training camps, and other support to terrorist groups fighting the governments of neighboring Turkey and Iran, as well as to hard-line Palestinian groups. During the 1991 Gulf War, Saddam commissioned several failed terrorist attacks on U.S. facilities. Prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the State Department listed Iraq as a state sponsor of terrorism. The question of Iraq’s link to terrorism grew more urgent with Saddam’s suspected determination to develop weapons of mass destruction (WMD), which Bush administration officials feared he might share with terrorists who could launch devastating attacks against the United States.” (emphasis added)
What everyone keeps forgetting, is that this really isn’t a war against Iraq, it’s a war against terrorism. Terrorists are flocking to Iraq to defeat the great Satan (I guess their puny little god allah isn’t so powerful after all, they haven’t managed to defeat us for over three years and we’ve lost far fewer troops in this war than we have in any previous war), and if they’re over there then there are fewer of them to come over here. After Iraq, there will be other battles and wars to be fought, probably against Iran (if Israel doesn’t knock them off first), Syria, or North Korea. This is a war against an ideology — militant Islam. The borders will be blurred, and if we don’t learn that on our own, we’ll be taught it by people whose idea of making it to heaven is to blow themselves up and take as many of us with them as possible.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:18 pm
“…you conveniently sidestep the point that was made about how leftists are prolonging this fight and costing us American lives…”
I’d be very interested to see documentation of a single American life that can be proven to have been lost because of criticism of the war by anyone in the US. This is, quite simply, a fairy tale, invented by the right to silence dissent.
“That last statement you made that you think I’d ‘prefer it was swept under the rug’ is a lie…”
Um, it cannot be a lie — unless you can prove that I am lying about my own views. Go ahead… try.
“I’d prefer that you acted more respectfully toward our men and women in uniform…”
Cite one single instance in which I have acted disrespectfully towards our men and women in uniform, Cao.
You can’t. You do love your straw man arguments, don’t you?
“Since I seem to have to repeat myself in answer to your questions…”
You have failed to answer a single one of my questions in this comment thread.
“I’ve already answered your talking points…”
False. Please try again.
“I find it so interesting that Meathead keeps telling me what to do on my own blog.”
I find it so interesting that you keep returning to this falsehood. I have never told you what to do on your own blog, Cao. I would suggest, however, that your credibility would be less damaged if you would (a) answer simple questions rather than dodging them, and (b) stop lying about what others have said and done.
May 30th, 2006 at 4:43 am
Murtha = John Kerry, one in the same?
May 30th, 2006 at 4:52 am
1. You still sidestep the point made that they’re prolonging this fight. If we could draw a line in the sand and say this is when we would have won and been able to bring our boys home in victory, we could tally up all the American deaths after that and claim they were because leftists are wailing.
In Afghanistan in the 2001-2002 war, we WON. But now the Taliban has crept back into that country, due to Karzai’s policy of appeasement.
So right there, the death toll in Afghanistan is 295…and the majority of them happened AFTER we won the war in 2001-2002. So there’s a number for you, and that doesn’t even begin to touch the number in Iraq.
You don’t have much common sense, do you? Depend on others to do your thinking for you, heh? That in itself is pretty pathetic. What I have, and what by all appearances you seem to lack, are simple reasoning skills.
2. You lied, plain and simple. I don’t prefer that this be swept under the rug, I haven’t said anything of the sort in any comment or post. Show me where I said that. Show me where I said something that would indicate that. I will say it again; let’s wait until all the evidence is in before we convict them in the press and from the Senate floor. (How many times have I said that now? You have a problem with reading comprehension perhaps you should take your ritalin, my dear man. [I’ve also made that observation before]) Pantano said the same thing, but I don’t see you attacking Pantano or taking him to task. So what’s the problem with me personally? Are you afraid of me?
3. Just the fact that you’re willing to jump on the bandwagon with Murtha is disrespecting our military; it’s a very common thing from leftists. Leftists hate our military and I can cite examples of that. Show me how you’ve supported the troops then. Shoe me how circulating these allegations of ‘murdering innocent civilians’ in Haditha is helping our cause. Give me evidence and proof. This anti-military campaign is designed to weaken our defenses and demorazlie the troops, diminish the number of people who are signing up to fight, etc.
4. I have answered everything you’ve said here which is why I have to repeat myself because you’re demanding that I answer your questions the way you want me to rather than the way I want to. This is what corrodes the debate, as Terry Dillard pointed out.
5. It’s not a falsehood, it’s the truth. Look at number 4 where you don’t like the answer and are trying to tell me how to answer your question. You are constantly putting words in my mouth, telling me what I meant, telling me what I said when I didn’t say that, etc. Other people seem to have no problem understanding the answers to your questions, I don’t understand what’s so difficult about this for you.
You still don’t answer my questions, instead you demand answers from me.
And you think that’s not telling me what to do on my own blog?
Puhleez.
And how about responding to Pantano’s point that you also seem to have ignored:
Pantano has personal experience with this, he’s not talking out of his hat. Does Murtha have personal experience in Iraq?
No, you’re perfectly happy to convict these marines on the basis of Murtha’s hearsay rather than wait for all the evidence to come in. What about the concept of ‘innocent until proven guilty”? You didn’t answer that.
And how does that ’support the troops’, meatball? Again, show me how this supports the troops. And don’t tell me ‘we support the troops-bring them home’. Supporting the troops is supporting their mission, supporting the job they were sent to do so they can come home in victory. The terrorists are not going to stop; they’ve taken a vow to destroy us. You think they’re going to stop if we ‘give up’? If we throw in the towel? If we withdraw before the fight is done?
Look, war is about winning on your own terms. They declared war on us long before 9/11, there have been attacks on Americans by Islamists since 1968: And the long list of Islamanazi attacks at that link don’t cover 2006.
Perhaps we can swing back to the discussion of the post which kicked this all off, meathead, since you like to take control in comments and misdirect the discussion to fit your agenda and your line of questioning. Let’s stick to the original post, shall we? Pantano’s personal experience tells it well:
Why don’t you respond to the post and to Pantano’s points instead of making up objections to me personally thereby making this a personal attack, and ignoring the points made by the rest of the commenters here?
Is it because you’re afraid? hehehe I think that’s it. You’re terrified of us and that’s why you need to control the discussions!
May 30th, 2006 at 5:51 am
“You still sidestep the point made that they’re prolonging this fight.”
You still have to prove that mere words can “prolong” this war. Is the US military so weak that words spoken on the other side of the planet can change the way they fight?
“You lied, plain and simple.”
What did I say that was a lie, Cao? Making an accusation is so easy for you — but you have no factual support for that accusation.
“I have answered everything you’ve said here…”
False.
Cite the specific “lies” I’ve told about you, Cao. Explain how ‘public debate’ is corroded when you are criticized.
What “enemy who has already attacked us on our own soil once already” are we fighting in Iraq?
Provide documentation of a single American life that can be proven to have been lost because of criticism of the war by anyone in the US.
“Just the fact that you’re willing to jump on the bandwagon with Murtha is disrespecting our military…”
Any disagreement with the conduct of the war is “disrespecting our military”. How conveeeeenient. You cannot actually cite an instance in which I have disrespected anyone in the miltary, so you invent a new definition.
“Look at number 4 where you don’t like the answer and are trying to tell me how to answer your question.”
Where exactly in comment 4 did I “tell [you] how to answer [my] question”? Could you provide an exact quote, please?
“They declared war on us long before 9/11…”
Who declared war on us? Iraq? When? What was Iraq’s documented involvement in the 9/11 attacks?
May 30th, 2006 at 5:56 am
You think Bin Laden isn’t paying attention to the anti-war people at home?
“It does not hurt that in current circumstances, the interests of Muslims coincide with the interests of the socialists in the war against crusaders.”
They believe the anti-war movement will help them win, plain and simple.
I will address these points later today I have places to go and things to do.
I have answered everything you said here, you’re regurgitating your stupid talking points, lol…and now you’re calling me a liar. It always comes down to that with you, doesn’t it? You try to trip me up with your fancy game of semantics and then you congratulate yourself for ‘nailing me’.
You haven’t ‘nailed me’, meathead. You’re just showing me your incessant inclination for perseveration.
You’re so funny, meathead. And so predictable.
May 30th, 2006 at 8:53 am
meathead, it is when Murtha the mouth makes statements before an investigation is complete that he does harm.
This is war, and shooting innocent civilians is, of course, wrong. On the other hand, from an islamists point of view, those outside of islam are not innocent, so their side will never have this kind of problem, just ours.
We’re playing on a tilted field, and we’re gonna slide off if we don’t start playing by the rules the other guys are using.
May 30th, 2006 at 9:15 am
Ah, you all haven’t learned the World of Meatbrain(TM), have you? In his world, everything is as he decides it will be. If you want to know your opinion on something, ask him and he will tell you. The only facts that exist in MeatbrainWorld(R) are those that he decide exist. Do not attempt to introduce any facts from reality, because those will only exist if he permits them to exist.
The entire field of logic does not exist there, either, so do not attempt to use it. Anything is a strawman if he says it is (and he will name many things strawmen). Anything that has happened before only has happened as he views it to have happened. For example, if he claims that the Holocaust did not exist, then it did not exist — in MeatbrainWorld(R).
For much easier discussion, just ask Meatbrain what your opinions are — he knows better than you — in MeatbrainWorld.
May 30th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
Cao: “I have answered everything you said here, you’re regurgitating your stupid talking points, lol…and now you’re calling me a liar. It always comes down to that with you, doesn’t it?”
You tell him. Productive discussions can’t happen when we just call other people liars, just because we disagree with them.
Cao: “Your lies and attacks on me are corrosive of public debate, which is no surprise, most conversations with leftists are like that.”
Oh. You do it too.
May 30th, 2006 at 3:57 pm
That’s interesting, it’s ok for him to do it, but it’s not ok for me to point out what he’s doing. I see.
The ever popular leftist double standard at work.
“Freedom of speech for me and not for thee”.
Like Ogre said; he tells me what’s true and what’s not it’s MeatheadworldTM. It’s Meatheadworld; everything’s a strawman only I don’t get to say it - he’s the only one with the privilege.
I don’t know what my opinion is; only he does.
It’s difficult to play the communist interrogation game when you’re under the lamp and not allowed to speak, but that’s really what it’s all about now, isn’t it?
Meatheadworld and his comrades attacking me and telling me what to do on my own blog.
Very one-sided rules you people have, lol…not to mention unfair, especially when considering this is my turf.
May 31st, 2006 at 8:08 pm
An Unpopular View of Haditha
Heidi and I have been watching the Haditha situation unfold, and we’ve held our tongues until now. However, after reading some of the military bloggers’ comments, and seeing the cover-my-***-in-case-I’m-wrong **** from some other con…
June 1st, 2006 at 10:57 am
Haditha
The Ogre weighs in on the “situation” in Haditha.
June 1st, 2006 at 8:12 pm
Atlas Quickie Vlog
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June 1st, 2006 at 8:24 pm
Meathead:
You’re past your package’s expiration date. You need to be thrown out with the rest of the spoiled deli meats. In other words, your words are not worthy of either verbal nor written consumption.
Ms. U
June 1st, 2006 at 9:38 pm
:mrgreen:Very good!Ms.U!:cool:
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:11 am
Murtha’s Rush to Judgement: Pantano Responds
Ilario Pantano, in my opinion, is one of the heroes of this conflict who paid a severe and unnecessary personal price for fighting the war on terror the way it needs to be done; by killing the enemy.
We should be taking no prisoners; we should not be &…
June 2nd, 2006 at 9:23 am
I believe in our Marines!
The blogosphere is ablaze with commentary concerning Haditha and the Marines who just might be tried for murder. Now, I don’t know exactly what happened: I wasn’t there. However, that idiot Murtha - who also wasn’t there - seems quite
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:26 am
…or response, Ms. U. His incessant chatter is like a negative attention seeking child who doesn’t get his mother’s attention so he spills his milk or breaks something. Sometimes it seems as though what he does is just meant to eat up my time when it could be spent doing productive things.
His entire existence seems to be centered on the Wide Awakes; so it also seems as though he’s terrified of what we’re putting out there. He doesn’t seem to recognize our ‘first amendment’ rights…but then he doesn’t understand the concept of ‘innocent until proven guilty’, either, and previously attacked me for my comments on the would-be bomber, Jose Padilla.
This guy is a study in contradictions.
February 5th, 2007 at 9:13 am
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