47 Responses to “Vote for and support Irey and help PA dump Murtha”

1. Lisa Gilliam Says:
   June 19th, 2006 at 8:57 am

   Cao,I remembered Murtha offering this latest stupidity,some months back,I thought my father was upset with Cindy Sheehan,when heard this load of bull coming out of a supposedly out a Marine officers mouth,He was wondering if Murtha was mentally ill.Daddy,was stationed at Okinawa during his tour of duty,and what since does that make?where he is talking is on the other side of the Ocean geographically,so why would place our men and women so far out the way of where there are to land and fight?Froggy,was right about that,and Murtha has already gotten his Marine Corps Card revoked,and the guys over in Iraq are very steamed,can’t says I blame them.I hope Ms.Irey wins,she certainly has a good chance,even though his district is Democratic,but,those Dems are more Like Scoop Jackson,and Zell Miller when it comes to defending this country.I’ve seen this ladies adds and I was impressed.Yep,Murtha has learned all the wrong lessons from Vietnam,by associating himself with the Easter Bunny Brigade,he is gonna hurt himself bad.If I was in the pr for the GOP I would use this vital piece of 411 in every add reminding PA voters that the man they sent represent them has ties to a group that is not only against this nation,but that they have given money to the terrorists in the Sunni Triangle and that they also have given money to Hamas as well.

2. Amy Proctor Says:
   June 19th, 2006 at 8:18 pm

   “Congressmen who wilfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged.”

   That is priceless. And true. Soldiers are amazingly resilient, but it nonetheless makes their job much more difficult because 1) Iraqis aren’t sure they can trust us (we’re either terrorizing them or ready to cut and run, leaving Iraq to fall into utter chaos) and they are unsure of support at home except for what they hear from their spouses and other family.

   Thank God soldiers are tougher than Murtha’s talk.

3. Cao Says:
   June 19th, 2006 at 8:38 pm

   Thank God Irey is standing up to him in his district.

4. Amy Proctor Says:
   June 19th, 2006 at 9:25 pm

   Interesting, Cao, a young guy named Patrick Murphy is also running in PA for congress, but he’s a D-PA who supports Murtha running in the 8th district.

   Even MORE oddly is that he served with the 82nd ABN with my husband as the Brigade JAG officer. He’s a lawyer who used to dispurse Military Battle Damage Claims to Iraqis in Baghdad. They were deployed from 2/03-2/04. I greeted him when he returned to Ft. Bragg’s Green Ramp with my husband and my husband used to call me from Baghdad from Murphy’s cell phone.

   I came across this article in Star and Stripes in which Murphy says:

   http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=36629&archive=true

   “We were absolutely shorthanded,” said Murphy, a former West Point professor. “My Humvee didn’t have doors. And I knew in the back of my mind what was going on. We weren’t given enough to do the job, and there weren’t enough boots on the ground.”

   He’s just as disingenious as Murtha. Birds of a feather…..OF COURSE HIS HUM-V DIDN’T HAVE DOORS! He was a partrooper from Ft. Bragg and none of the Hum-Vs, which they deploy with, had doors because of tactical reasons. I suppose Ft. Bragg didn’t realize there’d be so many IEDs in Iraq, but it’s total BS to misrepresent Operation Iraqi Freedom in this way. Murphy was a lawyer with the 82nd and wasn’t out on patrols and convoys like my hubby. I can’t believe he’d misrepresent the military like this, but like Murtha, these Dems really stick it to the military in very dishonest ways.

   I’m just glad that Diana Irey has Murtha on the run. I’d vote for her in a heartbeat over a Murphy or a Murtha. Not only does Murphy sell out his military experience, he sells out his Catholicity by gleefully accepting support by Planned Parenthood. Let that be a testimony to his character, like Murtha’s.

5. Cao Says:
   June 20th, 2006 at 5:08 am

   The democrats have an organized bunch of veterans to run for congress. Here’s their website. It’s frightening. They have not only pegged republicans wih being ‘corrupt’ politicians, somehow they’ve also managed to convince a bunch of people who served that theirs is the right and just side.

   You know how Code Pink says “support the troops give them better benefits’ - but they also say “support the troops bring them home now”. As though being in the military doesn’t constitute a commitment to America to do what you were trained to do-fight for your country.

6. Lisa Gilliam Says:
   June 20th, 2006 at 9:53 am

   These dummies can forget about getting elected,It would be nice to see a Dem vet have some cajones and tell plant planned parenthood and these other traitors to go and pound sand!They are being very stupid to align themselves with people who hate their guts!And they are gonna have to be a lot more convincing about being on the “right side”when history from the last thirty years has been against them.The Democrats have entirely two many McGoverns running their party and it has and will continue to destroy them.

7. Amy Proctor Says:
   June 20th, 2006 at 11:04 am

   Band of Brothers? Give me a break! Banded against success in Iraq. Geesh! There are far more supporters of the war than dissenters among the military, as you well know. I guess we have to allow for the whacky percentage of the population that joins the military for the college money.

8. Blue Star Chronicles Says:
   June 20th, 2006 at 11:27 pm

   Redeploy Murtha to Okinawa

   The world is much too dangerous a place to tolerate those who willfully damage the morale and undermine the mission of our troops.

9. chancuff Says:
   August 12th, 2006 at 1:40 pm

   Diana Irey’s video has been removed from Irey’s web sites (all 6 of them). I posted it here:

   http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=8cfba91a75c8d6133d09e0f3bf30f311.614521&vback=Profile&vdone=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.yahoo.com%2Fvideo%2Fprofile%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26yid%3Djournalismisflat

   “Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale & undermine the military are saboteurs & should be arrested, exiled, or hanged.” - President Abraham Lincoln

   Lincoln never said this. Ever. This quote is a fabrication of Dr. J. Michael Waller who first wrote it in 2003 shortly before the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth gave it life in 2004. How pathetic has the Republican Party become that it insults the reputation of America’s finest Republican president for their political gain?

   Cliff Hancuff
   The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

10. Cao Says:
    August 17th, 2006 at 6:49 pm

    How interesting…the web has been swept clean of that quote, and I know I’ve seen it in numerous places. Excuse me…GOOGLE has been swept clean.

    Actually I don’t believe a word you said.

11. chancuff Says:
    August 18th, 2006 at 8:56 am

    Some folks prefer their reality to be dictated by a “Moonie” publication. I never claimed to be more powerful than the honorable Reverend Sun Myung Moon.

    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

12. Luther Torrence Says:
    August 21st, 2006 at 9:53 pm

    Cliff,

    I’ve read your post on several blogsites now, so I am beginning to wonder if your information is correct, too. I don’t know if Lincoln said those exact words, but he did take those actions (yep, you can look it up - I did). I will search more to determine if Abe said the words in that quote that is all over the bloggosphere before I use the quote. But you seem so adamant to spread your detritus that I doubt your source as well.

    Cheers,
    Luther T

13. emmarie Says:
    August 25th, 2006 at 2:18 pm

    I’ll bump it up again. Get your facts straight before publishing!!!

    http://factcheck.org/article415.html

    I’m sure my post will be allowed to remain here.

14. Cao Says:
    August 25th, 2006 at 6:21 pm

    Sorry, I don’t buy fact check dot org.

    

    There are a lot of folks who’ve used that quote, why the objection? Those were different times; when honor, duty country meant something. When the duties of Congress were explicit and respected. When institutions were respected.

    If you say something often enough it doesn’t change it into a ‘fact’ even if it’s up at factcheck dot org.

    And sure, I’ll leave your troll **** there, although sometimes I do a cleanup on aisle five.

    Thanks for offering **** I don’t care about. I have some books here by Abraham Lincoln, I’ll see if I can find where he actually said it. And if I do, I’ll be sure to put it up in a post.

15. emmarie Says:
    August 25th, 2006 at 7:34 pm

    What do you mean you don’t buy FactCheck.org? Are you under the misguided impression that they’re a . . . oh my god, dare I say it . . . liberal organization? Again get your facts straight. Cause they just as easily point out both democrat and republican lies. But if you’re okay with your party lying, good for you. It’s just that when I’m sent the most recent factcheck email and it’s a democrat lying, I check it out and then I write the offending party an email - all I want is for people to stop lying. If you can’t win on your own merit without making **** up, oh nevermind.

16. Cao Says:
    August 26th, 2006 at 8:35 am

    Funny, that. Factcheck.org was set up for people like you who don’t know how to think for themselves, and can be easily fed that socialist drivel and swallow it hook, line and sinker.

    Wikipedia is much the same.

    I already answered your foolishness, so be gone and go troll elsewhere.

    I’m entitled to my opinion, whether you recognize it or not, I don’t need validation from you.

17. Amy Proctor Says:
    August 26th, 2006 at 8:58 am

    Actually, Cao is right. I did a study on Wikipedia a while back. On the Wikipedia main page is this:

    Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.In this English version, started in 2001, we are currently working on 914,863 articles.

    Don’t be afraid to edit articles—anyone can edit, and we encourage you to be bold (but please don’t vandalize)!

    Here’s a great article about Wikipedia:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181234,00.html

    Here’s another:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172909,00.html

    “Wikipedia lets users create, change and even erase articles on any topic, regardless of their expertise.

    Supporters say its open, collaborative nature leads to a more complete, bias-free reference source, though when the topic is controversial the wiki entry can resemble a battlefield.”

    As for FactCheck, they do some good work BUT the link provided to disprove the Lincoln quote is pretty elementary. I could have done a better job than FactCheck.

    Now, did Lincoln actually say this or not? I suppose it can be disputed. However, he LIVED this quote. He once had a pacificistic trouble maker during the Civil War (much like the hippies of today) chased into Canada by authorities. He certainly believed the sentiment, which is why it’s widely accepted.

18. Cao Says:
    August 26th, 2006 at 1:13 pm

    Liberals just want us to shut up. I get ordered around in comments about what to publish and what not to publish on a pretty consistent basis–both here and at the Wide Awakes.

    It’s hilarious.

    The “party of tolerance” seems to be proving themselves to be pretty intolerant, if you asked me.

19. Cao Says:
    August 26th, 2006 at 1:23 pm

    Look at this. Someone is going around leaving that comment wherever people are quoting this phrase.

20. Amy Proctor Says:
    August 26th, 2006 at 1:31 pm

    Maybe someone’s doing a google search for that phrase and dumping the argument on those blogs/sites? That quote is really getting on someone’s nerves!

21. Cao Says:
    August 26th, 2006 at 1:37 pm

    Yeah, probably John Kerry or John Murtha’s. Which means the minions are at work altering perceptions on the internet.

22. emmarie Says:
    August 26th, 2006 at 2:14 pm

    Someone? You think it’s just one person going around googling and posting? How about a comment regarding the fact that the writer admits that this phrase was a “mistake” in editing. He wrote the quote and accidentally quotation marks wound up around it. Hey, be my guest - go out and find it by Lincoln.

    It’s not this quote that pisses us off, it’s all of the lies. Santorum telling the american public on Fox news that they found Weapons of Mass distruction - this was just a month or two ago and the majority of Republicans believe that they were found, even though President Bush went on National TV to tell us all that none were found. Thank God I live in PA cause at least I can do something about this lying jerk.

23. Cao Says:
    August 26th, 2006 at 3:20 pm

    Actually a lot more people are talking about WMDs being found than you think, my dear. The lies that are being told by the peace crowd, and the leftists trying to tell everyone what to think seems to be the problem as far as I can see.

    And the Bush Administration’s strange inability to tell us what’s gone on is inexplicable.

    You seem to be perfectly comfortable being told what to think, good luck with that.

    Proof of Saddam’s WMDs, by David Kay October, 2003

    DAVID KAY: Well, we certainly found that — have not yet found illicit arms. But that’s not the only thing the report says. In fact, I’m sort of amazed at what was powerful information about both their intent and their actual activities that were not known and were hidden from UN inspectors seems not to have made it to the press. This is information that, had it been available last year, would have been headline news.
    
    SNOW: One of the things that you found, for instance, is the Mukhabarat, the secret service, in fact had a vigorous weapons program of its own. Tell us about it.
    
    KAY: Well, we have found right now — and we’re still finding them — over two dozen laboratories that were hidden in the Iraqi intelligence service, the Mukhabarat, were not declared to the U.N., had prohibited equipment, and carried on activities that should have been declared.

    Now, at the minimum, they kept alive Iraq’s capability to produce both biological and chemical weapons. We found assassination tools. So we know that, in fact, they had a prohibited intent to them.
    
    SNOW: You also talk about reference strains of biological agents. What does that mean?
    
    KAY: Well, that’s one of the most fascinating stories. An Iraqi scientist in 1993 hid in his own refrigerator reference strains for — active strains, actually would’ve — were still active when we found them — Botulinum toxin, one of the most toxic elements known.

    He was also asked to hide others, including anthrax. After a couple of days, he turned them back because he said they were too dangerous; he had small children in the house.

    This is typical. We now have three cases in which scientists have come forward with equipment, technology, diagrams, documents and, in this case, actual weapons material, reference strains and Botulinum toxin, that they were told to hide and that the UN didn’t find.
    
    SNOW: You believe that there are similar strains perhaps throughout Iraq right now?
    
    KAY: We’re actively searching for at least one more cache of weapons — of strains that we know exists.
    
    SNOW: This is a cache that had been referred to by a scientist. The first bit of information paid off; you’re still looking for the second one?
    
    KAY: Exactly.
    
    SNOW: And the second one is a large cache.
    
    KAY: It’s much larger. It contains anthrax, and that’s one reason we’re actively interested in getting it.
    
    SNOW: Now, you also talk about new research on biological capable agents, such as Brucella, Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever, Ricin and Naflotoxin (ph).

    KAY: That’s exactly right, and that’s the things I’m surprised no one has paid attention to.

    Yeah. DUUUHHHH! So if you’re getting your news reports from KOS, you’re all in a lather, but if you’re getting it from elsewhere, you have a good understanding as to what’s gone on here. Still, there’s a lot to be explained, but the truth is out there in the event you have the inclination to find it.

    A senior Syrian journalist reports Iraq WMD located in three Syrian sites, January, 2004

    Found Saddam’s WMDs by Keith Timmerman, April 2004

    Another Ignored Discovery, 2004
    
    WMD: The Murderous Reign of Saddam Hussein (2004)

    Where the WMDs Went by, Jamie Glazov, November, 2005

    Big Lie Democrats, 11/2005

    (My emphasis, below)

    Despite the often-repeated line in the media, that with no significant WMD finds in Iraq that “the primary rationale for the war” has been “discredited,” whether or not WMD are ever found in Iraq is, in fact, irrelevant to the legitimacy for this “rationale” for the war. The rationale was (among other things) that we had good reason to suspect that Saddam possessed WMD and/or had advanced and on-going programs for their creation. Saddam gave us no reason to doubt this, refusing to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors (in violation of the cease-fire agreement from the first Gulf War), and actually kicking them out of the country in 1998 (prompting Bill Clinton to send a few cruise missiles into suspected Iraqi WMD targets). So the rationale that it was likely that Saddam had WMD programs — which was the primary basis for Bill Clinton making “regime change” in Iraq official U.S. policy — was perfectly sound, and remains perfectly sound rationale for having gone to war. But none of this matters in the new Democratic political calculus, and the big question is, why not?

    The reason that the Democratic leadership seems intent on aggressively pushing a transparently false charge against the President of the United States is that it sees political advantage in doing so. It is what the Michael Mooron base of the party desires, and with the American public showing weariness of the war and of hearing the casualty figures reported daily in the media, the time is ripe, they calculate, to hammer Bush on the war. The only problem is, much of the Democratic leadership supported going to war. That dilemma is solved, in their mind, by pushing the argument that they were “misled” by Bush into doing so. This may turn out to be a bit uncomfortable for the Democrats’ probable 2008 presidential candidate — Hilary Clinton — who is already on record as admitting that the intelligence used by the Bush administration was consistent with the intelligence assessments during the Bill Clinton presidency. But the Democrats will cross that bridge when they come to it. In the meantime, it is the Democratic priority to discredit the U.S. Commander in Chief, in time of war, simply because he’s a Republican.

    Iraq WMD Mystery Solved, March, 2006

    The Iraqi WMDs that Slipped Through Our Fingers

    Iraq, WMDs and Troubling Revelations, by Jamie Glazov, May, 2006

    WMD Shipments to Syria Described, Powerline, 2006

    Saddam’s WMD And Syria
    
    Saddam’s Deadly Chemical Campaigns

    Saddam’s Nuclear Bomb

    Yeah Right No WMD.

    WMD that didn’t exist–gone missing!

    9/11 connection with Iraq and justification for the war

24. Cao Says:
    August 26th, 2006 at 4:03 pm

    If you’re going to keep your head in the sand about Santorum’s comments, then it would serve you right if more people jumped ship on the commie socialists in the party of ‘peace and tolerance’ (read stupidity that will get us all killed) and joined the ranks of the people who really want to see our guys win this war and who can think their way out of a paper bag.

    You obviously have no clue as to the reasons why we went to war to begin with, and are clinging to the Revolutionary Communist Party version “Bush lied, men died” - or the Code Pink Marxist version that led them to give money to the terrorists who were killing our soldiers in Fallujah. Either way; it’s the same result.

    “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
    — Thomas Jefferson

    Now are you going to tell me Jefferson didn’t say that, too?

    You people are not the brightest bulbs in the closet.

25. chancuff Says:
    August 28th, 2006 at 4:24 pm

    >>Sorry, I don’t buy fact check dot org.

    One can never be too careful when it comes to trusting sources of information.

    I think when you reread this article:

    http://factcheck.org/article415.html

    Noting Dr. Waller’s “cut&run” from his “Moonie” Lincoln quote and then compare it to his original article:

    http://www.arthuravenuebronx.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1472

    You may find sufficient resources to conclude Waller invented it in the first place.

    Waller writes at the bottom of his Moonie publication story:

    “This reporter found the quotes in a June 1863 letter that President Lincoln wrote, published that year in pamphlet form as “The Truth from an Honest Man: The Letter of the President,” by King & Baird Printers in Philadelphia and distributed by the Union League. Insight thanks Herbert Romerstein for providing the original pamphlet from his collection.”

    I have two original King&Baird TRUTH FROM AN HONEST MAN pamplets published in June of 1863. I loaned on of them to Brooks Jackson at factcheck.org

    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

26. chancuff Says:
    August 28th, 2006 at 4:37 pm

    PS: Not that Diana Irey can be trusted for much more than what her GOP mangers tell her to say, but perhaps you’ll give some credance to what her “handler” Bill Pascoe (Former Press Secretary for the RNC) wrote for her on her web site:

    http://www.irey.com/news/contentview.asp?c=35681

    I love the part where Mr. Bill writes:

    “Today I became aware for the first time …”

    I think you may get a chuckle out of the thread I started at the Trib-Democrat, the local paper in the town where Irey just set up shop:

    http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4871074/m/664107374

    I wrote the whole group at Irey.com on July 14th and then again on August 4th that Waller invented this Moonie Lincoln quote.

    The relevant post in that Tribune-Democrat thread comes near the end, just after the world’s longest blog post, a full copy of the email I send Irey, Pascoe, et al, on August 4th.

    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

27. Chancuff Says:
    August 28th, 2006 at 5:23 pm

    >>There are a lot of folks who’ve used that quote, why the objection?

    I object.

    My great, great grandfather, after whom I am named in honor of, served in Lincoln’s Union Army. He made the supreme sacrifice for our country on March 23, 1862 serving Stonewall Jackson he only defeat in the Civil war.

    Lincoln was, to borrow a title, “A Uniter”

    When some goofball Republican mouthpiece abuses the reputation of our greatest Republican president, in a Moonie publication no less, for today’s Republican Party’s political gain … it troubles me.

    Can guess who brought this Moonie Lincoln quote to life just a few short weeks after Waller invented it?

    (Hint: Swift Boat Veterans for Truth)

    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

28. chancuff Says:
    August 28th, 2006 at 5:48 pm

    OPPS, I forgot some other prestigious Republicans who got schnookered into using this ficticious Waller quote …

    Ollie North

    http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0974579335&id=dQipO2AmNrUC&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=congressmen+who+willfully++north&ie=ISO-8859-1&sig=fBfOMtFSxlavNGKBMbFtreMEwfo

    and Buzz Patterson. If any of you have a copy of “Reckless Disregard” (Patterson removed the googlebook link) check the title of Chapter 3 on page 65.

    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

29. NWO Says:
    August 28th, 2006 at 5:48 pm

    Well heck it is getting so bad that even Canadian Universities are using President Bush in their advertising campaigns.

    Yale Smale is the ad campaign Lakehead University is using.

    It features President Bush in an unflattering image.

    http://www.netnewsledger.com has the story.

30. Cao Says:
    August 29th, 2006 at 4:40 am

    I don’t see how it’s an ‘abuse’ of Lincoln to qutoe something that’s widely accepted that hasn’t been satisfactorily proven by the Code Pink John Kerry Cindy Sheehan Revolutionary Communist Party Murtha types.

    Regardless, I get to say what’s acceptable here, not you.

    Sorry that you “object”, but that’s life!

    As Terry Dillard pointed out, Lincoln waived Habeas Corpus, and did a lot of things that weren’t acceptable for the time that people don’t remember…or perhaps never learned in history class or outside of history class.
    
    From the Federalist Patriot aka Patriot Post:

    “the constitutional federalism envisioned by our Founders and outlined by our Constitution’s Bill of Rights was grossly violated” by our 16th President — and many of his successors. We are sometimes asked why we head that list of violators with Lincoln. It is fitting, then, in this week when the nation recognizes the anniversary of his birth, that we answer this question — albeit at great peril to the sensibilities of some of our friends and colleagues.

    The first of Lincoln’s two most oft-noted achievements was the preservation of the Union. It is, we believe, a blessing that we are still the USA, one nation united, though some historians argue eloquently that Southern states would likely have reunited with Northern states before the end of the 19th century, had Lincoln allowed for a peaceful and constitutionally accorded secession. Furthermore, under this reunification model, the constitutional order of the republic would have remained largely intact.

    The Founding Fathers established the Constitutional Union as a voluntary agreement among the several states, subordinate to The Declaration of Independence, which never mentions the nation as a singular entity, but instead repeatedly references the states as sovereign bodies, unanimously asserting their independence. To that end, our Constitution’s author, James Madison, in a letter (1825) to our Declaration’s author, Thomas Jefferson, asserted, “On the distinctive principles of the Government … of the U. States, the best guides are to be found in … The Declaration of Independence, as the fundamental Act of Union of these States.”

    The states, in ratifying the Constitution, established the federal government as their agent — not the other way around. At Virginia’s ratification convention, for example, the delegates affirmed “that the powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to injury or oppression.” Were this not true, the federal government would not have been established as federal, but instead a national, unitary and unlimited authority. Notably, and in large measure as a consequence of the War between the States, the “federal” government has grown to become an all-but unitary and unlimited authority.

    Our Founders upheld the individual sovereignty of the states, even though the wisdom of secessionist movements was a source of great tension and debate from the day the Constitution was ratified. Tellingly, Hamilton, the greatest proponent of centralization among the Founders, noted in Federalist No. 81 that waging war against the states “would be altogether forced and unwarranted.” At the Constitutional Convention, Hamilton argued, “Can any reasonable man be well disposed toward a government which makes war and carnage the only means of supporting itself?”

    Yet Lincoln threatened the use of force to maintain the Union in his First Inaugural Address, saying, “In [preserving the Union] there needs to be no bloodshed or violence; and there shall be none, unless it be forced upon the national authority.”
    
    Lincoln may have preserved the Union geographically (at great cost to the Constitution), but politically and philosophically, the concept of a voluntary union was shredded by sword, rifle and cannon.

    In his Gettysburg Address, Lincoln employed lofty rhetoric to conceal the truth of our nation’s most costly war — a war that resulted in the deaths of some 600,000 Americans and the severe disabling of over 400,000 more. He claimed to be fighting so that “this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.” In fact, Lincoln was ensuring just the opposite by waging an appallingly bloody war while ignoring calls for negotiated peace. It was the “rebels” who were intent on self-government, and it was Lincoln who rejected their right to that end, despite our Founders’ clear admonition to the contrary in the Declaration.

    Moreover, had Lincoln’s actions been subjected to the terms of the Fourth Geneva Convention (the first being codified in 1864), he and his principal military commanders, Gen. William T. Sherman heading the list, would have been tried for war crimes. This included waging “total war” against not just combatants, but the entire civilian population. It is estimated that Sherman’s march to the sea was responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians. (Continuing their legacy, after the war, Sherman and Gen. Philip Sheridan waged unprecedented genocide against Native Americans.)

    “Reconstruction” followed the war, and with it an additional period of Southern probation, plunder and misery, leading General Robert E. Lee to conclude, “If I had foreseen the use those people designed to make of their victory, there would have been no surrender at Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me. Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with my brave men, my sword in my right hand.”

    The second of Lincoln’s two most oft-noted achievements was ending the abomination of slavery. It has come to be understood that this calamitous war was the necessary cost of ridding our nation of slavery, yet no other nation at the time required war to do so. In fact, the cost of the war itself would have more than paid for compensatory emancipation, giving each slave 40 acres and a mule — all without bloodshed.

    However, Lincoln’s own words undermine his hallowed status as the Great Emancipator. For example, in his fourth debate with Stephen Douglas, Lincoln argued: “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

    Originally, of course, the War between the States was not predicated on freeing slaves, but preserving the Union — or, as the South saw it, preserving the sovereignty of the several states.

    States’ rights are most aptly understood through the words and actions of Gen. Lee, who detested slavery and opposed secession. In 1860, however, Gen. Lee declined Lincoln’s request that he take command of the Army of the Potomac, saying that his first allegiance was to his home state of Virginia: “I have, therefore, resigned my commission in the army, and save in defense of my native state…I hope I may never be called on to draw my sword.” He would, soon thereafter, take command of the Army of Northern Virginia, rallying his officers with these words: “Let each man resolve to be victorious, and that the right of self-government, liberty, and peace shall find him a defender.”

    As for delivering slaves from bondage, it was two years after the commencement of hostilities that Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation — to protests from free laborers in the North, who didn’t want emancipated slaves migrating north and competing for their jobs.

    In truth, not a single slave was emancipated by the stroke of Lincoln’s pen. Slaves were “freed” in Confederate states, excluding the territory occupied by the federal army. Slaves in Kentucky, Missouri, Delaware and Maryland were also left in bondage. With his Proclamation, Lincoln succeeded in politicizing the issue and short-circuiting the moral solution to slavery, thus leaving the scourge of racial inequality to fester to this day — in every state of the Union. In fact, there is evidence now of more ethnic tension in Boston than in Birmingham, in Los Angeles than in Atlanta and in Chicago than in Charleston.

    Further, little reported and lightly regarded in our history books is the way Lincoln abused and discarded the individual rights of Northern citizens. Tens of thousands of citizens were imprisoned (most without trial) for political opposition, or “treason,” and their property confiscated. Habeas corpus and, in effect, the entire Bill of Rights were suspended.

    In fact, the Declaration of Independence details remarkably similar abuses by King George to those committed by Lincoln: the “Military [became] independent of and superior to the Civil power”; he imposed taxes without consent; citizens were deprived “in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury”; state legislatures were suspended in order to prevent more secessions; he “plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people…scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.”

    Chief among the spoils of victory is the privilege of writing the history. Thus, the Lincoln most Americans know is the one who preserved the Union, freed the slaves and founded the Republican Party. A more thorough and dispassionate reading of history, however, reveals that these were silver linings within a dark cloud of constitutional abuse.

    Finally, while the War between the States concluded in 1865, the battle for states’ rights — the struggle to restore constitutional federalism — remains spirited, particularly in the ranks of our Patriot readers.

    Quote of the week…

    “Stripped of all its covering, the naked question is, whether ours is a federal or consolidated government; a constitutional or absolute one; a government resting solidly on the basis of the sovereignty of the States, or on the unrestrained will of a majority; a form of government, as in all other unlimited ones, in which injustice, violence, and force must ultimately prevail.” –South Carolina Senator John Calhoun, 1831

    On cross-examination…

    “The War between the States…produced the foundation for the kind of government we have today: consolidated and absolute, based on the unrestrained will of the majority, with force, threats, and intimidation being the order of the day. Today’s federal government is considerably at odds with that envisioned by the framers of the Constitution. … [The War] also laid to rest the great principle enunciated in the Declaration of Independence that ‘Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed’.” –Walter Williams

    My husband’s great-great-great-grandfather was General Sickles. Big deal. Regardless as to our ancestry, I still have the right to my opinion.

31. Chancuff Says:
    August 29th, 2006 at 11:13 am

    I don’t see how it’s an ‘abuse’ of Lincoln to qutoe something that’s widely accepted that hasn’t been satisfactorily proven by the Code Pink John Kerry Cindy Sheehan Revolutionary Communist Party Murtha types.

    I guess you didn’t get the memo, above. I’ll repeat.

    http://www.irey.com/news/contentview.asp?c=35681

    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

32. Chancuff Says:
    August 29th, 2006 at 11:20 am

    The only thing worse than a knee-jerk liberal is a knee-pad conservative.
    -Edward Abbey

    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

33. Cao Says:
    August 29th, 2006 at 4:34 pm

    guess you didn’t get the memo about my opinion versus yours on this blog.

    I won’t repeat it because you’ve already impressed upon me how overinflated your opinion of your own bad self is, but from now on, your comments will no longer be published here.

34. Amy Proctor Says:
    August 31st, 2006 at 9:44 am

    The fact is that whether the quote can be traced to Lincoln or not, IT’S STILL TRUE. That’s the point.

35. chancuff Says:
    September 11th, 2006 at 12:16 am

    Things are JUST NOT GOING WELL for the folks at the “Diana Irey for Congress” camp.

    Diana Irey Press Release UPDATE!

    http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/911101894

    (read whole thread)

    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

36. Cao Says:
    September 16th, 2006 at 7:47 am

    There is a lot of support for Irey, here’s a site comprised of her veteran supporters.

    Just because you’re trolling leftists sites who attack her doesn’t mean there isn’t another side to this. I’m a huge supporter of hers, as well as a huge supporter of Vince Micco.

    These people are upstanding citizens who oppose the leftist **** that is so disgusting to me, I hope they slaughter their opponents at the polls.

    Poli Pundit did an interview with her, Kit and Heidi at Euphoric Reality had her on their radio show, as I recall. There’s a pretty big following because most folks are appalled at Murtha and his Code Pink awards.

37. chancuff Says:
    September 17th, 2006 at 2:18 pm

    I’ve TRIED to shake some sense into Diana Irey and Bill Pascoe (her “handler”) and Free Republic Freepers and their hero OP Ditch of vets4irey.com infamy for months. MAYBE these bootmurtha.com blokes have an once of common sense … maybe not.

    Write bootmurtha.com at bootmurtha@cox.net and ask Larry Bailey to give me 5 uninterrupted minutes onstage in Johnstown, PA on Oct. 1st. Johnstown is “put up, or shut-up” country.

    I’ve called Larry Bailey a wimp and a coward more times than I can count.

    Write him NOW and ask him if he’s a man, or a mouse. I’ve already sent him this email below.

    Subject: dummerthanadustbunny
    Date: 9/17/2006 12:05:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
    From: JournalismIsFlat
    To: bootmurtha@cox.net
    CC: diana@irey.com, kphiel@hotmail.com, jason@irey.com, Rusty@irey.com, lbailey@bootmurtha.com, publicist@bootmurtha.com, webmaster@bootmurtha.com, comment@bootmurtha.com, JournalismIsFlat, osc@bootmurtha.com, opditch@gmail.com

    wanna’ have a word with this goofy lil’ Freeper’s concept of psychological warfare, Larry?

    http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/106104505?r=357108505#357108505

    That dog don’t hunt.

    C’mon wimp, you’re not scared of havin’ me onstage on October 1st, are ya?

    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

38. Cao Says:
    September 17th, 2006 at 2:24 pm

    Give it up. Your trolling the pro Irey websites isn’t going to get you anything but labelled as a nut.
    All I need to know is this:

    

    and this.

    

    

    

39. Chancuff Says:
    September 17th, 2006 at 2:28 pm

    “Give it up. Your trolling the pro Irey websites isn’t going to get you anything but labelled as a nut.”

    Am I nutty enough for you go write Larry Bailey and ask him to let me onstage for 5 minutes in Johnstown, or do you have the good sense to know Larry is scared witless of me, ever since he referred to Al Qaqaa as ONE of Bush’s “stupid mistakes”?

    Do something for our troops at war. Write Larry Bailey and tell him to get off his lazy butt and accept my challenge.

    Thank you for sharin’.

    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

40. Cao Says:
    September 17th, 2006 at 2:41 pm

    I’m doing something for our troops, I’m doing all I can to support Irey, and I have a radio show where I support different causes, and I have one son in the army who I support.

    What have you got?

    Move America Forward
    
    Students for Academic Freedom

    David Horowitz Freedom Center

    Citizens United
    
    College Republicans

    Veterans against Murtha

    Vets4Irey

    Murtha Must Go
    
    Murtha’s War Hero Status Called Into Question

    Boot Murtha

41. Chancuff Says:
    September 17th, 2006 at 2:44 pm

    http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/38410611/m/106104505?r=516102605#516102605

42. Cao Says:
    September 17th, 2006 at 2:52 pm

    That’s it for you, you’re banned now. You seem pretty desperate to me, as someone emailed me about your complaints about being banned here, actually before you really were. It was a lunatic email -a very long rant, and frankly, I don’t have time for that BS.

    You have a problem that people are supporting Irey? Too bad. It’s a free country, in spite of George Soros, and we oppose Murtha and when people like you cause that much of a stir, it’s just going to get us more focused and organized to beat him.

    I could close comments entirely because of people like you, and I’m going to think about that before I actually do it. Maybe I’ll close all threads to comments except for my trackback parties.

    Why should anyone let you onstage without a strait jacket?

    People are idiots, and you’re prime example of that.

43. chancuff Says:
    September 17th, 2006 at 4:36 pm

    oh c’mon now,think this true. What you REALLY want to do is what every other dittohead blogger does, they delete the whole thread.

    There’s nothin’ like havin’ before and after screen captures of blog pages demostrating who the real Cut&Run folks are.

    Feel free to join my collection of wimp bloggers for publication on the web site I’m working on.

    Thanks in advance.

    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

44. Cao Says:
    September 17th, 2006 at 5:15 pm

    As much of a pain in the *** you are, you’re not that important. I’ve had many battles here, and all the threads are still up. What kind of idiocy is that ‘what every dittohead blogger does’? Is that supposed to mean me? hilarious!

    You really overvalue your importance in my world. And you REALLY misunderestimate ME.

    What we do on our own blogs is our business, by the way. We do redesigns, we buy new domains, we close discussion threadsd. It’s our freedom of choice; this isn’t a bus station or a public sidewalk where you get ‘free speech’. This is like my home, I pay for the space, and it’s my choice as to what goes in it.

    If you harrass people enough for them to delete threads, well then, is a screen capture of the thread before it’s pulled some kind of weird trophy for you?

    Well good luck with that.

45. Chancuff Says:
    September 17th, 2006 at 10:49 pm

    “You really overvalue your importance in my world. And you REALLY misunderestimate ME.”

    Don’t be silly. I never underestimated you. Once I emailed you the screen capture of this page and informed you that if you deleted it, you would become part of my prestigious list of dittoheaded bloggers who deleted whole pages in a cowardly act of cut&run, that I intend to use on my web site …. well, I knew I could count on you. So much, in fact, I’ve started to link folks to this page.

    There’s nobody more patriotic than a cornered dittohead.

46. Cao Says:
    September 18th, 2006 at 4:16 am

    I really don’t care, :lol:.

    Collect your trophies elsewhere, troll.

    If Murtha has a leg to stand on, he doesn’t need minions to do his work for him…

47. Cao Says:
    September 18th, 2006 at 4:20 am