5/4/2007
Teen Du’a Khalil Aswad, Iraqi Yezidi girl, stoned to death
There is something very strange here. This happened a week or so ago, but nobody was talking about it until the video hit youtube. It is no longer available. Supposedly her Yezidi family dragged her from a muslim home, yet we hear Alla-hu-akbar from the crowd?
She falls in love with a muslim boy, and is taken in by a muslim family and was away from her family for a night. This in itself seems quite odd. She is only 17 years old. The Yezidi are an old people who keep to themselves; and marry only Yezidi. It is muslims who kidnap women and force them to convert…I am not inclined to believe the story as it is being presented.
Gates of Vienna has an excellent post about the Yezidi people, who are Yezidi first, Kurds second. And they are not Muslims, nor are they Christians. They do not believe in mingling with people who are not Yezidi. Saddam called them ‘devilworshippers’….because he thrived on segregating the Iraqi people. Yet, the Yezidi and the kurds managed to fight the despotic regime together, so there are times when they’ve completely gotten along with their muslim brothers. An Arab muslim influence is here somewhere.
The Jawa Report has a part of the video, but it would appear it is their yelling in their frenzied state of bloodlust after she was stoned for 30 minutes and is dead.
But I am more inclined to believe that muslims did this to her because of what we hear from the crowd, and because muslim websites are using this video as reason to get angry. Of course, we’ve seen evidence of their propaganda in order to justify their bloodlust before; going back to Saddam’s parade of babies, the Reuters pictures of corpses trucked in to Qana for a photo op, etc.
In retaliation for her murder, 23 yezidis were murdered by Islamists. You see, the muslims believed the Yezidis killed her for converting to Islam.
Abdul-Karim Khalaf, a police spokesman for Ninevah province, said the executions were in response to the killing two weeks ago of a Yazidi woman who had recently converted to Islam after she fell in love with a Muslim and ran off with him. Her relatives had disapproved of the match and dragged her back to Bashika, where she was stoned to death, he said.
A grainy video showing gruesome scenes of the woman’s killing was distributed on Iraqi Web sites in recent weeks, but its authenticity could not be independently confirmed.
Whatever the case, whoever is to blame, whatever ideology drove the stoning of this woman and the retaliatory murders of 23 people, these people should all stop the insanity and step into this century.
Update by Rusty: This video is all over Islamic websites and Muslims are outraged by it. The most common comment being: see what they do to a girl who converts to Islam!
But, as you may know, leaving Islam is punishable by death.
May 5th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Another example of ARab cruelty. They should be left alone for a 1000 years or so until they evolve to the point where they can be considered partly human.
May 5th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
They will not evolve…they’ve been the same all this time…only civilization will change this
May 5th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Dnaiel? That’s jewish isn’t it?
they need to evolve huh? That’s pretty rich coming from a jew.
May 6th, 2007 at 7:21 am
Daniel is just a name; used by people of many ethnicities.
Ever hear of Danny Rodriguez? Danny Bonaduce? Danny Elfman? The Irish have a song entitled “oh Danny boy” and it isn’t about a Jew. Danny Divito is an italian, and the list goes on. What is it that you idiots have against tiny little Israel, anyway?
You’ve labeled yourself a bigot and will be banned hereafter.
May 6th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
The girl was yezidi yes now she might have ran away with the sunni guy or might not have or maybe they forced her going. I know and everyone else here in Canada and USA that is yezidi know or have a pretty good clue of who was behind all of this and those people were the Kurds. The Kurds will be the end of Iraq they are roothless ******** who have seen nothing in the world now that they own northern or Iraq they think they own the world and I hope nothing positive for them for doing whatever they’ve to Yezidis. Oh and more thing Kurds used to be Yezidis they converted to Kurds when Muslim tryed to rule over the Yezidis!
May 7th, 2007 at 2:54 am
All the Yezidis in Iraq and worldwide have condemned the stoning of the innocent girl. The whole story ( accident) has been preplanned , fabricated and badly manipulated religiously and politically against Yezidis who have been known over centuries as peaceful and opressed people.He who knows what goes in Iraq of dirty games by politicians can realize the real dirty objectives of those who fabricated the accident and editted the video in such a disgusting way .However,politically there is a struggle between the Iraqi arabs and the kurds about the affilaition of the areas where the Yezidi community live which before Saddam’s fall were under the central government. Finally , the people in Iraq have become the victims of the political parties struggle and differences.
I would also like to use this comment as an appeal to the whole world community and human rights organizationsto protect the Yezidis in Iraq from genocide and opression.
May 7th, 2007 at 4:42 am
This is not about Arab ethnicity or civilization. It’s about religion, and in this case, Islam vs. Yezidi (a religion that combines the three godly religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam). There are Jewish Arabs, Christian Arabs, Atheist Arabs… the list goes on. It’s good to have background information before debating.
It’s also not a common thing to happen, otherwise it wouldn’t be featured in the news, but in an encyclopedia. Overgeneralization isn’t really viable.
May 7th, 2007 at 5:16 am
The only reason it hit the news is because they videotaped it and put it on the internet.
And whose tactic is that, pray tell?
Although I read a long time ago an entry by Michael Yon on the Yezidi, I had no idea as to their thinking of themselves as Yezidi first and Kurds second.
I think the Kurds are a beautiful people. They are a people without a country…and out of all the Iraqi people, they seem to understand about what self governance is all about; they have the fewest incidents of this kind of thing out of the entire country. Even though the Americans have not always stood by them, and did nothing about Halabja and the Anfal Campaign, they are doing pretty well now, all things considered.
I think the Kurds are setting an example for the rest of Iraq; they have quashed terrorism within the confines of their territory. Perhaps that is what the terrorists are having trouble with…
May 7th, 2007 at 10:50 am
There are Homosapiens in the world that are the viruses of the others that try to do good. The men who witnessed, and killed, the girl are these viruses. We, in general, must try to eliminate these diseases who kills/harms their counterparts via religion and/or hatred. Civilization cannot function if some human beings are born abnormally in the Laws of Nature. The “Male” sex, in the world, are by far the worst virus on this planet. As a male myself, I am ashamed that my own sex acts upon it to do things whenever he feels like it. All this girl’s killer were men. These Iraqi showed us that Iraq’s people are pre-historic, and when Allah and Muhammed comes down from their domain I hope they destroy and kill these men who killed this girl, only then will there be peace on Earth.
May 8th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
yezidi’s for life
May 8th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
it is horrible, barbaric, savage, cannibal action. if there is really human rights they should bring those men killers to justice as soon as possible inorder not to repeat it again. I wish there were no men on earth since men kill such an innocent poor girl!!!! What’s this hell, is there another hell, I don’t think so? Where are women activists in Iraq t take action, Where is government, parliament and the role of universities? what’s is this backwardness and mental illness of those men? they should be damned to hell. Where is the law, the faculty of law in universities of Iraq and Kurdistan????
May 8th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
all very good questions.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:42 pm
hmmm, lemme see, Faissal, that’s either an Arab or a **** name, right? dude listen to yourself “they converted to Kurds when Muslim tryed to rule over the Yezidis!” converted to Kurds??? Are you F**king kidding me? that’s like saying people who live in germany converted to german after Hitler did that shamefull act! Kurd is a race dumbo! you can’t convert and become a Kurd!
Yes amigo I am a Kurd and belive me Faissal, there is only 1 thing we Kurds hate more than we hate Arabs and that’s Islam!
And what you see in that video is not stoning it is called TAKFIR in arabic and it means beating the living **** (LITERALLY) out of someone because they changed their religion!
anyways, it does not matter who killed that innocent child, Kurds, Arabs, Muslims or Yezidis it was wrong and they all deserve to be shot!
I was born in that region, I know what is going on back home. it is not Kurds, not Arabs and not Persians. It is Islam that kills thousands of innocent people everyday.
It is religion that brain washes people.
my people got to understand GOD IS DEAD!
May 9th, 2007 at 3:47 am
LORD have MERY on you ANDRIAN B
May 9th, 2007 at 3:47 am
LORD have MERcY on you ANDRIAN B
May 10th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Adrian B listen dude I know a lot of kurds here in Canada and all they do is read the Quran which is great following your religion and i am very happy for them, but in the Quran does it say you are allowed to go out and be on the bottom of the list and do the dirtiest work there is today and thats selling drugs, picking up girl, going to bars and so forth because I know that none of those things are in the Quran!!! and if your reading the Quran how are you not muslim????:S:S:S thats like saying i am not christian but i read the bible but u refer to yourself as a religiouse person. I dont get you if you want to let me know i would be more than happy!
May 11th, 2007 at 7:15 am
I would like to reiterate that what has been done to the Yezidi girl was horrible , inhumane and a violation to human rights . My question is why has it been so publicized and videotaped, taking into consideration that this is not the first honour killing in Kurdistan ? How was it videotaped and who did the photography and plan for it ? Why was edited in such a way to show the Yezidis as very savage people who are definately not? Why was the realiation so severe ? What is the relation of the twenty four poor workers who wre killed in Mosul with the girl ?( Two more Yezidi men were shot dead in front of their wives and children two days ago in Mosul ) Why have more than a thousand students been deprived from continuing their studies at Mosul University and other educational institutions ? Who is behind this all????
Now the Yezidis in Iraq are facing a real delimma for no reason but just because of their religious affiliation as we look at the incident from its surface structure . The world community and human rights organizations have to do something to save this very unique and little in number cult, otherwise they will be geneocided.
May 11th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
Yezidis and kurds are victims of genocide and deportation.The Osman Empire initiated the politic of playing out kurds against each other, and it goes on. Visitors of the Internet should be aware of this fact, and the fact that the Western world rarely has the insight to discriminate between different peoples of the Middle East.Yezidis are not Muslims, and kurds are not arabs- get your facts straight.
Anyone should have a right to their love - but not a century ago, women in the Western world were convicted for having a baby by the wrong man, and just today, Bolivia is in riots because an 11-year old girl had an abortion after having been raped by her stepfather. This is about sex, not religion.
Yezidis are about to be extinct - there are 150-300 000 left. Most live far from their homeland in southern Turkey and northern Iraq, in Armenia, Germany and Canada.They do so as a result of a holocaust which, contrary to the Nazi’s against jews, succeeded. There are forces who want to see yezidis and kurds extinct - fundamentalist muslim arab forces. Do not confuse them - or you will stand on the side of arab fascists.
Lotte
May 15th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
I have seen the video. It’s a shocking example of what appears to be mob hysteria. I can hear lots of voices, but don’t speak the language, so I have no idea what was being said. Has anyone see the video who speaks the language? What were they saying?
May 15th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
I have seen the video. It’s a shocking example of what appears to be mob hysteria. I can hear lots of voices, but don’t speak the language, so I have no idea what was being said. Has anyone see the video who speaks the language? What were they saying?
May 17th, 2007 at 2:06 am
The Arabs are no more savage than American’s, who murder the infant fetus in a mother’s womb.
46 million and counting.
Talk about un-civilised…….
May 17th, 2007 at 3:39 am
All this proves that old Sadam was doing a pretty good job out there keeping these barbarians under some kind of control . Ever considered that people such as these will only respond to the harsh discipline of dictators like Sadam , they aint capable of living like a civilised people . Democracy ? Do me a favour - its not for these sadistic juveniles .
May 17th, 2007 at 4:27 am
Right. The Anfal Campaign was a pretty good example of ‘control’…a bunch of dead kurds, using chemical weapons against his own people.
Saddam’s torture chambers
Dictators are good at ‘control’, by any means they see fit. Saddam’s regime meticulously documented their ‘control’.
These stories are not unlike the Taliban and Al Qaeda ‘making people disappear’ because they ‘cooperate’ with the United States.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:10 am
I aint arguing with Cao , just pointing out that there are levels of humanity that dont conform to normal standards . They live like savages and have to be controlled like savages , unfortunate but thats how it is . The only language they understand .Maybe one day they will join the rest of the civilised human race but I wouldnt bet on it . I believe that when Harry Truman dropped the bombs on Japan in 1945 he said something like ” When I have to deal with savages , I treat them like savages . “
May 17th, 2007 at 5:33 am
Justifying the cruelty of dictators…interesting.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:19 am
everybody non worshipping islam is no human and deserves death - men, women and children
every woman and female child not acting according her male lord and rules of sharia, the islamic law - husband, father or whatever male relative she belongs to (she is no human, she is property to serve sexually, physically and psychically and obey the male) deserves beating, rape and death
in western countries the lobby of sharia islamist is so good, that more and more are accepting and allowing practicizing of sharia in western and violence agains women and children is subsummed under political correct tollerance against foreign religions/cultures - the crime is shrouded as religious practice and beying ignored by authorities
but till women (half population of islamic/whole world which als is rising new generations) are not being treated and considered as equal human being with protected right of physical and psychical inviolability, with right of movement, education, health, sexual and psychical freedom of choice - untill this there is no chance of ever end of terrorist attacks and killings and it will be more and more and will intrude western countries - destroying the civilization rights (not that all is ok here, but the basic human rights ARE allready valid here to some degree)
May 17th, 2007 at 9:48 am
I truly feel sorry for women in the Middle East! I hate the exploitation of women in the West but at least they have a choice about whether or not they want to be exploited. Women in the Middle East have no options. If they convert to other religions–they die! If they remain under the oppressive umbrela of their misogynistic religions, they die at the hands of their abusive demonic husbands… I can’t wait until Jesus returns to cast all the demon cults into hell along with the anti-Christ who led them astray.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
We are all animals and we are doomed.
What happened to this young woman is disgusting. Sure religion is to blame but it’s not the only problem. People are people and just like animals we need to fear something to be controlled. Obvisouly our fears in the west are different then those in the middle east. We think we are civilized, moral and just. But we are all the same. When it comes to survival we all revert to our animalistic insticints. No religion is better or worse. Religion is plain stupid and unnecessary. Religion is there for people that have nothing because it gives them an excuse to justify their poor existence. From that stems actions like this. From it stems the inferiority of women to men (and this is true in christianity as well). Sure Christians can now act smart and wise after slaughthring/converting half of the planet for centuries. Other religions, tribes, clutures seem barbaric but we all act the same. That girl got stoned to death for honor, belief or political reasons or whatever else. That’s how messages get passed in certain parts of the world. We are bit a more “civilized” in the west but it’s the same. We all want to “win” and be on top of the world. This is human nature. We are going to keep on killing ourselves until somebody wins but by that time, not many people will be left or maybe just our planet will end our misery and kill us all.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
I am a solider in Iraq, on my second tour. Most of the people in this country wish to be left alone. There are trible issues that have exsisted here for thousands of years. Many of the Sunnies and Shiits are good people but memebers from both sides fight us, and each other. Many inocent die. Although the irony of the situration is that many of the tribes in Iraq are starting to turn against the Ben Ladian and his followers due to the Harshness of how they treat others, and view life. This war on terror will never end, tell Ben Laden and his followers are eliminated or all the rest of the world bow to his belifes. I dont bow to anyone, so i will continue to fight this war of terror as an Ameracain Solider. A Combat Medic, helping whoever I can. I would rather fight in Ben Ladins Backyard, then in my backyard, in the United States.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:34 pm
Is that Satan Behind Adrian B.
God Bless my Man, God Bless.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:30 am
cao,
i havent read the whole comments and didnt watch the video. but the kurds, yezedi, and sunni (muslim) are saying allah akbar. i think it’s more of a culture thing than the religion thing. for example you will not hear anything like ‘honor killing’ in other parts of muslim nations (south asia or south east asia).
i really would like to see the video and judge them for myself, does anyone keep it?
May 18th, 2007 at 12:44 am
Give me a break all you ignorant people. To talk about the Kurds (mentality) you need to be either a Kurd\Turk\Iraq, by experience. If you want to tell people about Islam, none of you have a clue. Most westerners have no idea about Islam or their own religion, why, your references are from TV (controlled information)..who has read the Quran and its authentic Hadiths, who knows that Muhammad (SAW) glorified God the most..who of you has read the Bible from beginning to end and compared it to Islam? Who believes in God and doesn’t. Who thinks killing people under the name of your God is righteous by invading, bombing and shooting bullets and who of you believe killing a single person by stone is worst than killing thousands under the banner of freedom\terrorism\insurgence or to protect America\Israel. By not doing anything or even verbally saying nothing means guilty by association as its your country and your soldiers with your money that are doing harm!
When was the last time you read a book about any of the topics in this blog, yet alone have an opinion.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:54 am
O yeh.lets look at the figures in America, Canada, Australia(me)of rape victims and violent murders and compare them to that village or region or an Arab area. Lets look at the legal system and how are the guilty treated. Last year in Australia over 6500 women got raped..I don’t know the other figures and in other areas but Australia is rated up there for standard of living. Its all about prospective?
May 18th, 2007 at 3:28 am
The arabs gave us mathematics and medicine. After that its gone to alla
May 18th, 2007 at 10:23 am
Just nuke the entire middle-east and be gone with all those idiots !!!
May 18th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
hiiiiiii wat a nice surprise to see people still talking about that incedint in iraq..by the way im yezidi and have nothing against kurds or muslims, i have something agains arab mentality…thats what messing up this world and this religion of theirs..they were like this way before islam came to life..they used to kill women for hounor killings…and i guess we yezidis/kurds have adopted to the same mentality as the arabs and i am trully sorry to say that but we are acting just like them..
May 18th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
YEAH NUKE EM
May 18th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
this is islam . when you convert to islam first you coming at lost yor ***** head.when you left islam your come to beheading…just 2 things isalm lowyer..2head is important….
May 18th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
hey nuke em…not a bad idea..that should teach a lesson. Im studying international law studies so someday when they nukem i can go back and educate some people in that region..any comments ..im fired up to answer your comments, before you type anything …think tiwce before you say some f**** up word..please..i dont wanna ruin somebodys life with embarrasment..
May 19th, 2007 at 2:56 am
I do not know what makes human PIG´s doing this to girls time after time.
I think it´s time for the rest of the world to stop them NOW.
Those men are not men they are barbarian who think they have right to do anything they like with the girls. They should not go in jail! They should have the same deat as the girls! They have nothing on this planet to do. IT´S TIME TO STOP THEM NOW!!
Tony
May 19th, 2007 at 6:52 am
See the video here.
and here.
Or just watch it here.
Honor killings are well-known in the muslim world:
Pakistan
Berlin
As of 2004, honor killings have occurred at the hands of individuals within parts of various countries, such as Albania, Bangladesh, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, Ecuador, Egypt, Germany, India, Iran, Iraq, Israel (within the Arab, Druze and Bedouin communities), Italy, Jordan, Morocco, the Palestinian territories, Sweden, Turkey, Uganda, the United Kingdom and the United States. (Wikipedia)
Honor killing is also mentioned in legal codes in many foreign countries (also from Wikipedia)
According to the report of the Special Rapporteur submitted to the 58th session of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights (2002) concerning cultural practices in the family that reflect violence against women (E/CN.4/2002/83):
The Special Rapporteur indicated that there had been contradictory decisions with regard to the honor defense in Brazil, and that legislative provisions allowing for partial or complete defense in that context could be found in the penal codes of Argentina, Bangladesh, Ecuador, Egypt, Guatemala, Iran, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Peru, Syria, Venezuela and the Palestinian National Authority.
Five stories detailing more honor killings from Sweetness and Light; From the Turkish Press, an example from Istanbul, another from the same page where a husband shot his wife for honor (don’t know what country), a Somali woman who found refuge in Turkey, believing she would have been killed for honor because she was raped and was impregnated from that rape; I think the story about the 17-year old girl being shot in the head by her father is a story from Jordan, and the last is a story from Islamabad Pakistan.
Needless to say, this is far more widely practiced than most people realize, and it DOES seem to be Islamic…or an Arab cultural mentality that originates with sharia law and Islam.
The Halal Method of Beating Your Wife
May 19th, 2007 at 6:00 pm
The entire video can be downloaded from here.
May 21st, 2007 at 2:19 pm
may god judge u all in the after life….go in peace
May 21st, 2007 at 7:12 pm
this is sickening, how in the hell it ever can happen in public out there is beyon my mind.
May 24th, 2007 at 5:22 am
This sort of thing goes on all the time behind closed doors in every country of the world, the muslims are not the only ones who do it, however this incident was made public and the Western world is starting to get tired of the Islamic radicals. We should not forget that Isreal has problems with its fundamentalist jews and the U.S has its fundamentalist christians. They believe they are right we are wrong and they just try to **** our lives up by being difficult. It is time everyone in the world started to live and teach tollerance and if you can not live in peace and tollerate others differences then you should completely ignored ie no service at the super market not sold land or houses no insurance no citizenship.
May 24th, 2007 at 5:39 am
When was the last time a ‘fundamentalist Jew’ or ‘fundamentalist Christian’ stoned someone to death? Even in the bible, Christ said in response to a group of people who were going to stone a prostitute to death ‘Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone’ and the crowd disappeared.
Not all religions are the same, that is a moral relativists subjectivism which is completely off the mark.
Not all behaviors lead to good outcomes, and we must be able to discern between them. It seems to me as though the religion of Mohammed is completely opposite to that of Christianity and Judeaism, as Mohammed characterizes the ‘people of the book’ as ‘unbelievers’ and commands the body of muslim believers to ‘kill the unbelievers wherever you find them,’ and to ’smite them at the neck’. Obviously at least some of his followers are taking that to mean that it’s okay to behead people, and we’ve seen ample evidence of that.
When was the last time a Jew or a Christian beheaded someone, filmed it, and put it on youtube or online in order to show how ‘faithful’ they are?
Those things are not commanded in the Tora or the Bible.
Neither is the concept of the Golden Rule - do unto others as you would have them do unto you; in the Qu’ran.
Most people think that is a universal concept; it isn’t.
May 24th, 2007 at 8:18 am
Um the point I was making is that everyone needs to be tollerant, your example regarding Jesus, Gee I wonder what would have happened if he had not come along when the woman was going to be stoned? Think maybe she would have been stoned. I seem to remember Catholics in Northern Ireland shaving and tarring women who associated with British soldiers not too long ago. Not to mention Catholics (IRA) blowing up Protestants and visa versa. You have a short memory or you are not very well informed I think. Perhaps you remember the massacures in Rwanda a few years back, no Muslems or Christians involved in that, just opposing tribes. Anyone remember Idi Amin in Uganda he did a bit of massacering as well. How about the Pacific Islands lovely peaceful paradises when there is no shooting ie Solomons, Fiji, East Timor, plenty of honour killings in all the above instances. All justified on the grounds of people not associating with their own kind.
May 24th, 2007 at 5:43 pm
lol that’s disingenuous…the Westboro Baptists call themselves Christians, aside from the fact that they quote the bible out of context, I don’t see any Christian group announcing support for them.
That’s called a euphemism and it’s really not a very good rhetorical argument. Downplay the muslims because of the IRA? HUH?
Lumping Christians into a pile of terrorists because of the IRA is idiotic. You really will have to do much better than that.
And let’s not forget that Catholics nowawdays don’t say much about the Bible where their faith is concerned, it’s more a form of marxism.
I don’t see the IRA or Sinn Fein quoting any Bible verses to further what they’re doing, their conflict is between the protestants and the catholics and has been going on since the early 1900’s. It’s more a case of sectarian infighting that doesn’t seem to have its basis in the faith.
Just like the muslim factions fighting between each other in Afganistan and Iraq, they can’t look past their petty differences to make any progress.
But judging from what’s happening in Ireland, it looks at least on the surface - they’re making some headway and Sinn Fein renounced its violence, apologized for the murders of civilians and is attempting to participate in politics.
Have we seen any attempt like this to apologize for the Yezidi girl or Margaret Hassan or any of the women that Al Qaeda has butchered?
Not hardly.
We’re seeing bloody sectarian infighting between the Shiites and Sunnis, and then this weird example of the Yezidi girl who seems to have been put on the alter of politics by muslims in order to cite more violence against the already shrinking Yezidi population.
But I don’t think Al Qaeda will be inclined to drop what they’re doing to become civilized; it’s what they’re all about: citing the qu’ran to justify terrorism.
Al Qaeda is not going stop trying to build a bridge to the 7th century and quoting the Qu’ran to kill the unbelievers.
The Bible has no such verbiage in it. What do you see in response to art exhibits like the cross floating in a jar of piss? Are Christians all over the world inciting violence? What of the muslims destroying the Christian churches and pissing and littering in the place of Christ’s birth? Anything? And what was the response to the mohammed cartoons?
C’mon, use some common sense.
The IRA is not killing the protestants because they’re not catholics; there’s a difference.
Milestone Meeting in 2007
Shortly after parliamentary elections in March, Gerry Adams, the leader of Sinn Fein, and Rev. Ian Paisley, the head of the Democratic Unionist Party, met face to face for the first time and hashed out an agreement for a power-sharing government. The new administration is scheduled to take control in May.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:41 am
“The Bible has no such verbiage in it.” Except perhaps the bit about God allegedly telling David to go forth into the land of Caanan and slay every man, woman and child. The Bible is full of talk about killing “others”. The point is whether it is religion, colour, sex or nationality some lunitics will find any reason to justify killing “others”. There were comments earlier in this blog about “Nuke Them” and “stop them now” etc. This is the sort of intolerance or knee jerk reaction that pisses me off. I read today the Pope has just appologised for all the killings the Catholic church was responsible for during the colonisation of South America. Anyone suggesting we blow up the Vatican? I do not condone the killing of the girl but I am not going to promote holding all muslims responsible for it. The problems with radical muslims needs to addressed and solved/stopped by moderate muslims, the problems with the radical jews needs to be addressed by the moderate jews and yes we have nut case lunitic fundamentalist christians that we need to deal with. There are just as many sadistic murdering mother fuckers in the world who are not muslim. The Columbian drug dealers in South Florida commit atrocities in the name of business but we do not advocate killing all businessmen. Just because a group of ******** calling themselves muslims commit a public murder does not mean we should “Nuke them All”.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:56 am
Old testament stuff. Fire and brimstone. You really don’t know much about the bible, do you?
The old testament does not apply to today; we are now in the age of grace. This is why the Jews don’t do blood sacrifice anymore, and why no Christian has ever done blood sacrifice; it doesn’t apply.
You’re getting to be pretty funny, though,
You’re pretty consistent with your dishonest use of manipulative rhetorical devices!
There were all kinds of changes in diet, rituals, ceremonies, and festivals as the law was funneled through the Messiah, which are being observed even today. Since you’re aware of some of the old stories, certainly you can compare and contrast those things which we do not do that are commanded in the old testament, can’t you?
Even if you’re not guided by the holy spirit in order to rightly divide the word of God.
The old testament was about the covenant with Abraham, which was replaced by the new covenant through Jesus Christ which extends to everyone now - even the gentiles.
Paul’s teaching that Gentiles are “grafted in” to the Jewish covenant– Romans 11:1-32. We are not given a brand new covenant, but are spliced into a Jewish covenant!
We are instructed to learn from the ten commandments, and live by them, but understand that the law has been wiped away because we are now in a new age; the age of grace.
Matthew 5:17-1917Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. - King James Version
Paul’s teaching that the “new covenant” is really a outgrowth of the covenant of grace given to Abraham, not a brand new covenant, but a renewal and addition to the covenant with Abraham. — Galatians 3:6-96Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. - King James Version
If you have an Old Testament command and it is restated in the New Testament, then it is still valid and binding upon us as Christians. — For example, compare the commandment “honor your father and mother” from Exodus 20:12 with Ephesians 6:1-3. “Honor your father and mother” is in both Testaments, so it is still applicable to Christians.
If you have an Old Testament command and it is changed or set aside in the New Testament, then it is no longer valid and is not binding upon us as Christians. — For example Mark 7:18-19 which makes the Old Testament food laws obsolete; Acts 15 which lays aside the requirement for circumcision; or Colossians 2:16-17 which sets aside dietary laws, festivals, and rest days.
And as I said before, stonings are obsolete.
Keep trying, though, you’re getting to be rather amusing
More at How to Apply the Old Testament to Today
May 25th, 2007 at 7:30 am
I understand now, when you refer to “The Bible” you really mean the new testament. Ok i will just rip my bible in half and throw away the first half as it is obviously now obsolete. If you really have read the second half then you will probably have seen the message about tolerance of others and non-judgemental behaviour (it is repeated all through the “second Half”). Unfortunately too many people skip through all that boring **** and focus on the bit about the day of judgement and Armageddon etc and think that it is their duty to bring about the end of the world so God can come and clean up all the **** and turn the world over to “them”.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:52 am
No, I didn’t say that. When I refer to the Bible, it is in its totality, but you are being rather dishonest when you quote things that don’t apply. I think it’s a matter of rational critical thinking; you can cherry pick your verses to illustrate any number of things to slander Christians, but it doesn’t capture the essence of the text, or the spirit of the faith. For that, you would have to accepted Christ as your savior, and have the guidance of the holy spirit when studying the Bible; both the old and new testaments, and how the lessons apply.
As I quoted previously, if there is something in the old testament that is repeated and verified in the new, then it still stands. Otherwise, it does not. The whole reason for the many rules in the old testament was that God was trying to illustrate that man is by nature sinful; it is virtually impossible to follow all of the rules that the mosaic law laid down.
In stark contrast, the Islamists are quoting the qu’ran’s verses, the sunah and the hadith, which command them to fight and kill the infidel in the halal way; there is no such language in the Bible to raise the sword, unless it’s in self defense or to protect the innocent.
The Bible says you should ‘love thy neighbor as thyself’ in contrast, the Qu’ran commands the body of muslim believers to kill the unbelievers - the people of the book - in the halal way - which is by a curved sword to smite their hands, feet and necks - in order to get carnal rewards in paradise like 72 virgins, or boys, if that is your preference, and rivers of wine.
Killing by beheading is Islamic
Perhaps, many can not quite conceive why these Islamic terrorists use this ancient barbaric method of beheading (by sword, knives or Axes) to kill kaffirs, instead of using simple and sure method of bullets. This is because they are the true Muslims and true followers of the best human Prophet Muhammad. It’s not true that they have any shortage of guns and pistols. But they are afraid to disobeying Prophet’s methods and tactics prescribed by the holy Quran. They are desperate to get full benefits (getting lucrative Islamic heavens as promised by the Quran) of their service to Islam. Therefore they are bound to use Prophetic methods (read Islamic style) of killing/assassinating the enemies of Allah and Prophet by slitting necks, cutting hands and legs by a long curve sword. This is the same good reason why in Bangladesh-Jamati Islami,s (a political party) student-wing Chatra-Shibir’s jihadis use to kill their opponents by cutting hands and feet. They want to follow everything as per Islamic code. Because Islam still sits and firmly anchored in the 7th century medieval period and never will move ahead.
The barbaric practice of stoning is Islamic and in countries who are ruled by sharia law it is practiced today:
See some more stoning videos here and Stoning the movie, here
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Are the people in this video extremists? No, they are true Muslims, following the exact orders of their leader Mohammed. This is real Islam in practice.
May 25th, 2007 at 9:15 am
You actually said “The Bible has no such verbiage in it.” all encompassing statement, go back and read your own comment. Then you try to retract that statement by saying “The old testament does not apply to today” then you say “When I refer to the Bible, it is in its totality,” which as I pointed out does have references to exterminating others and then you accuse me and I quote you as saying “but you are being rather dishonest when you quote things that don’t apply.” I never asserted that they did apply merely that the Bible (as a whole) has verbiage in it that advocates genocide. Following a recent Court case regarding censorship the bible was quoted as a book containing conspiracies to commit murder and genocide, bestiality, incest and many other behaviours that would normally place a book on the banned list. The Court side stepped the issues because they knew it was an arguement they did not want to be involved in and could not win. So to say the Bible does not contain parts that advocate violence and murder on the grounds that subsequent parts speak against it is not correct. As for your assumption that death by beheading is an “ancient barbaric method of beheading (by sword, knives or Axes)” I would submit that when done by an experienced executioner this form of execution is in fact the quickest and most painles form of execution, as opposed to our “civilised” forms of execution such as hanging (which can result in death by strangulation) the gas chamber where you actually drown as your lungs disolve, electrocution where you are boiled alive as the liquid in your body is heated up, or leathal injection where you are sedated to the point that your lungs cease to function and you suffocate (and may actually be aware of it). Death by firing squad or as you put it “using simple and sure method of bullets.” often results in a slow death, refer to stories of executed prisoners who survived or of executed prisoners being buried alive following execution by firing squads. As far as your accusation that I “cherry pick your verses to illustrate any number of things to slander Christians, but it doesn’t capture the essence of the text,” I submit that the Quran was written around the seventh century and at that time it was the most enlightened and tolerant religious script of the time, you and the fundamentalist muslims can pick bits and pieces out of it or even quote it in or out of context to justify any idiotic arguement you or they care to make, although if, as you have advocated when reading the Bible, you actually read the whole book you will find it is not as dark a book as it has been portrayed as being. I have read literally thousands and thousands of books many contain contradictory opinions many get it half right and few if any get it completely correct. As far as television and newspapers go they are at least 80% ******** and any time a politician opens their mouth it is 80% self advertising 5% trivia 14 % ******** and 1% fact. No wonder this world is so screwed up no one knows the truth about anything and they are so ready to believe the ******** biased **** that is fed to them every day.
May 25th, 2007 at 9:18 am
I’m saying that you need to apply rational thought in order to understand what applies. The bible doesn’t command the believers to do what you’re saying, again, you’re taking it out of context, which is rather hypocritical when you don’t believe and aren’t even interested in understanding what’s written there.
Conversely, many hadith, including Sahih Bukhari give proof that Stoning was ordered and practiced by Muhammed, for example:
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar :
The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque.”
Click here for more hadith which verify that Mohammed ordered stoning
Christians are not applying the stories and the old mosaic law; as I have said a couple of times already; it doesn’t apply.
You really have a problem with that, don’t you?
:twisted::mrgreen:
Show me where Christians are following all that tripe that you’re quoting.
Show me where they’re releasing videos online and quoting the bible in defense of that behavior, holding up the Bible the way the terrorists hold up the Quran in one hand and a knife or a sword on the other, or hold a captive with his arms tied behind his back with a sword over his neck.
You can’t.
May 25th, 2007 at 9:56 am
Rob, are you really that clueless? I’m serious. Do you really believe what you’re writing here? Because it’s total insanity.
You actually think that God giving a specific instruction to one person to go do one thing at one instance in time is the same as the Queeran that instructs all followers of that religion to always kill any person, man, woman, or child, who refuses to convert to their religion?
You complain that it’s “intolerant” to accept other people killing one another in the name of their own religion, because it’s religion? Know what? I’m intolerant of child rapists. But I guess you’re not because you are more “tolerant” than I.
Is anyone suggesting that we blow up the Vatican? Yes — ISLAMISTS!
You really don’t want to hold people responsible for murdering innocents? Do you realize how utterly and completely insane that point of view is? Do you hold me responsible if I steal your money? Do you want me punished if I punch you in the face? Or do you tolerate literally anything?
Do you really believe that the Bible tells all people to commit genocide? If you do, first, you’re saying that all people who are Jewish or Christian are not following the Bible. And you’re insane. I think you should seriously sit down and read the Bible. And then read the Queeran, which DOES say that.
Do you honestly believe that the religion of Islam is a tolerant religion? If so, you need to buy a dictionary, because you either know zero about Islam, or you don’t know what “tolerant” means at all.
Rob, you have serious issues.
May 25th, 2007 at 10:05 am
It’s indiscriminateness - the complete inability to think through the values of the positions he holds.
Tear down all that is good and elevate all that is bad, until everything meets in the middle and there is literally nothing worth living or dying for.
Just as Evan Sayet said in his speech to the heritage foundation. I’m seeing it more and more through the words of people like “rob”.
May 25th, 2007 at 10:10 am
Way back up thi sthread someone calling themselves “cruelty” seems to be advocating islam or death.
I know there are a lot of people in the world that think that way, and what I have to say about that is that if people wish to die for islam, we should be more than happy to oblige them.
Islam doesn’t understand tolerance. We shouldn’t tolerate that stance.
May 25th, 2007 at 10:41 am
You state “Christians are not applying the stories and the old mosaic law; as I have said a couple of times already; it doesn’t apply.” ok so I guess I must have misheard the Christian lunitics professing that AIDS was sent by God to punish all the deiviant abnormal homosexuals and the rash of natural disasters that have killed hundreds of thousands of people in the last few years is God’s way of punishing the non-christians and sinners. As for christians not being responsible for killing that is a joke, how many bombs have so called christian nations dropped on Vietnam, Kosovo etc, Afganistan and Iraq. Just because they were not waving a Bible in one hand and screaming out scripture do not think they were not thinking christian v other.
Rational thought is exactly what I apply. At what point did I say the Bible commands “the believers to do what you’re saying” I merely pointed out that there were parts of the Bible where genocide had been advocated, QUOTE “Except perhaps the bit about God allegedly telling David to go forth into the land of Caanan and slay every man, woman and child.” which you seem to have a problem confronting. Nice side step/avoidance on the exection issue, did you put that in the too hard basket. I read the Torah, the Bible and the Koran, they are interesting HISTORY BOOKS they have “some” practical application to the real world and human interaction but they are not the complete “how to answer” to everything. If you want to bury your head in the Bible claiming it is the answer to everything and **** on everyone elses beliefs then you are only adding fuel to the problem. I suppose you would advocate re-educating all the muslims, jews and Hindis as to the one and only true way to live. The fundamentalist muslims, jews, and christians all advocate the destruction of the other, christians just choose to believe that God will do it for them. All of you believe the Earth will be inherited by God’s chosen and he will destroy all the others. The muslim lunitics just beleve he needs a helping hand.
If you have managed to read this far without switching off then I will restate my original position WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS IS TOLERANCE OF OTHERS ie the girl would never have been killed if her rights and wishes had been recognised and tolerated. I do not care if you are a christian or a jew or a muslim you have rights and so do others. The storys above are all about blame, it was the muslims, no it was the arabs, no it was the kurds, all seeking to lay the blame on “others” then advocating “lets nuke “them” lets get “them”. You profess to be a christian I have serious reservations about that, you talk about reading the Bible as a whole and then seek to savage the muslim’s Koran by quoting bits here and there, I think you have failed to read the message of Tolerance contained in the Bible not withstanding the fact that you quote Jesus when he said “he without sin should cast the first stone” or words to that effect. I find muslims, jews and christians who will not tolerate one another to be just as bad as one another.
May 25th, 2007 at 10:46 am
P.S the jews “invented” stoning because you are not allowed to kill, ie throw one stone at someone you will not kill them, 100 people throw a stone everyone can say “I did not kil them” same thing with crucifiction it was a pole not a cross, the cross bar was added by the Romans, you just tie someone to it and leave them that way you did not kill them.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:41 pm
Sayet is describing you, Rob, a good liberal toady who is completely indiscriminate-good luck with that.
May 25th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
Rob..I have read your diatribes, and here is my response. Unlike yours, it is short, sharp and concise.
Christians do not hijack airplanes, separate the Jews from the rest of the passengers, and then take them to Uganda to use as blackmail.
(Entebbe)
Christians do not take over ocean liners and murder men or women in wheelchairs
(Achille Lauro)
Christians do not plant bombs in schools then machine gun children trying to escape
(Beslan)
Christians do not hijack even more airliners and smash them into skyscrapers killing 3000 people
(9/11)
Christians do not murder Buddhist construction workers and then burn the body to hide their crimes
(Thailand)
Since 9/11 Islamic terrorists and extremists have carried out over eight thousand separate attacks and atrocities.
Christians have carried out none.
Discussion over.
May 26th, 2007 at 6:03 am
Being indiscriminate is a very dangerous position to hold when faced with global Islamofascist terrorism. A classic example of someone who wouldn’t recognize a mugger or a killer/murderer if he was being pursued by one!
He would stop and try to UNDERSTAND them and then he’d end up being the brute’s victim.
Refer to the peacenik Tom Fox, a Christian peace advocate…taking the terrorists’ side and claiming they’re freedom fighters didn’t change the terrorists’ view of his being an infidel,and he lost his pathetic life.
Nick Berg’s father belongs to International ANSWER, but Nick still died because as Zarqawi said in the beheading video, Nick died - not because he was an American, but because he was not a muslim.
By the way, “Rob”, there are links here that you might want to click on to see what it is I’m talking about since you’re so ignorant of what’s been going on with peaceniks and the WoT.
May 26th, 2007 at 6:21 am
You have no idea. I have absolutely no hessitatation in using leathal force when my life or anothers is in “immenent” danger. I have faced down and fought with criminals on numerous occassions in my youth. But I was always known as someone who “thought” before they acted and as a result I have respect and am listened to by the type of people who would slit your throat and piss on your corpse just as soon as look at you. You seem to think I approve of terrorists, I do not, but if you came home from work one day and your home and entire family had been blown to pieces by an Israelie shell then maybe you would understand why terrorism is increasing not reducing. And blowing more of them up will not make terrorism go away it will just make it worse.
May 26th, 2007 at 7:07 am
And I assume you’ve come home to the ruins made by an Israeli shell.:?:
Are you one of those guys who shouts “free Palestine”? Are you aware that there is no such thing as Palestinian people?
You’re pretty clueless, in your indiscriminateness, and your hatred of Israel is also very telling.
Israel has the right to defend herself from the hatred of people like you who don’t think they have the right to exist. So am I to assume you join in with the Islamists who want to drive the Jews into the sea?
Just like Ahmadinnerjacket, denying the holocaust while planning another.
Plus, so much of what has been spread about Israel is pure terrorist propaganda, just like Green Helmet guy in the supposed ‘Qana massacre’.
Good luck with that, lol…
May 26th, 2007 at 10:42 am
I’m A Proud Friend Of Israel -
Christians Support Israel -
May 26th, 2007 at 10:49 am
Rob, you seem like an educated fellow. So, that being the case, why is it hard for you to understand basic psychology; if you reinforce bad behavior, you get more of it. If you bow and scrape before terrorists they commit more acts of terrorism. If, on the other hand you smack them harder, while the behavior “might” increase initially, it will eventually disappear (extinction of behaviors - read Pavlov).
This basic understanding is lost on you guys, and I’m not sure if it is because you are stupid or because you refuse to believe what you have seen time and time again. Oh, wait… never mind.
May 26th, 2007 at 11:08 am
GM Roper is right — some people are either born naturally stupid, or they work at it everyday.
May 26th, 2007 at 7:06 pm
The terrorists have stated this obvious point over and over again,it is basic human nature,but,for some people such as Rob,they don’t seem to get the message.They’re hatered of Israel is a real puzzle to me.But,as GM Roper have stated,bad behavior cannot and should not be rewarded.
May 27th, 2007 at 7:33 am
You people are idiots and i do not think you understand what you read.
I do not support terrorists, I am quite happy to see a terrorist go down in a hail of bullets. As for my “hatered of Israel” some of my best freinds are Jewish, perhaps I should have just refered to “someone’s” artillery shell blowing your family away and you deciding that you are going to get even with that “someone”. The original point was just because one group of muslim maniacs murders someone it is not an excuse to kill them all. That would be a bit like nuking New York because it is full of murderers and muggers.
To all the alleged christians here, didn’t someone say “violence begets violence” or was that the old testament and therefore no longer valid.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:42 am
Could rob be meatbrain’s twin brother? He seems just as removed from reality.
Rob? Once again, you clearly do not understand anything at all about the Christian religion. You state that since God punished non-Christians, that Christians killed people. WHAT?!? If God is using AIDS as a plague to punish sinners, that’s GOD doing that, not Christian people. Perhaps you think they’re one and the same.
You complain about “Christian Nations” dropping bombs. There is no such thing. There is absolutely no country on this planet that has a government that is based on the Christian religion. America isn’t anywhere close, I assure you. Again, if you think it is, you seriously, honestly, do not understand anything about Christianity.
You want more tolerance? Okay, if you want peace and tolerance, I suggest right now you convert to Islam. If you do not, you will be intolerant and Muslims will kill you. So to avoid death, and increase tolerance, convert or die. That’s the ISLAM message, NOT Christianity.
I’m so happy that you beat up criminals and the terrorists love you because of it. I’m not quite sure how that makes your fantasy-land version of the world superior to the actual version that exists today.
Cao? I think this one is beyond hope — at least beyond our capabilities of helping.
May 27th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
lol you’re right, O.
There’s a good argument:
YOU’RE THE BRILLIANT ONE, ROB, oh, I get it now!
So stop trying and coming back - remember that little ‘definition of insanity’? -Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
My suggestion for you? Go somewhere else where someone will listen to your intellectually superior and lofty ideas since we lowly heathens don’t understand!
May 28th, 2007 at 5:01 am
“My suggestion for you? Go somewhere else where someone will listen to your intellectually superior and lofty ideas since we lowly heathens don’t understand!”
I think finally we agree on something, you take everything I say out of context and falsely assert different meanings and statements to what I say.
The strange thing is you Americans wonder why so many people dislike you and you simply can not understand why.
It is because you never listen to others, you are too arrogant.
You believe you are alway right, anyone with a different opinion is wrong.
You look at yourselves and think we are the good guys, we only do good things all the time, we are nice people, we only kill the bad guys.
Well I happen to believe America is full of good and nice decent people, but the ignorant arogant ******** there are so much more visible and vocal than the others.
Your foreign policy programs are a joke and designed to further your own business interests.
Yes we know that Iran has been in your sights since 1979.
So you just go right ahead and keep advocating wiping out all the muslims in the world because you obviously believe that that is the way to make freinds and bring peace to the world.
If you want to try killing every muslim in the world then off you go, just do not try to get the rest of the world to help you. You will be starting a fight you can not finish and alienating the only people who can crush the Islamic terrorists (the moderate muslims).
But of course you would not understand or agree with that.
So enjoy your war it will be yours alone, you want to start it you can finish it by youselves.
Good Bye.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:51 am
Enjoy Islam, study up on stonings, it’s part of sharia law, which you seem determined to surrender to.
Europe is in a much worse place than we are as far as bowing to political correctness and Islamists. Even Australia has David Hicks to crow about. England has 7/7. Spain has 3/11. Around the world,this horrible phenomenon is growing, and yet you seem to be determined to avoid acknowledging it; instead blaming America for this ‘war’. Maybe you should blame the head hackers who declared this war on 9/11, and who have been attacking us since 1968.
As far as your statement
You ought to look in the mirror, you cheese eating surrender monkey.
Byebye.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
I see no difference between this (KEEP READING PLEASE!!!) and the lynching of blacks in USA, where whites would stand by and cheer and laugh while seeing a black man getting lynched and burned to death!
But of course they are both horrible. I am in no way justifying this beautiful girl’s horrible death. I was so embarassed when I saw the video. And I have something to say to all the Kurds who read this:
1- Stop it with the “it’s all edited” ********! Yeah, let’s assume it’s a conspiracy, yeah, they (whoever “they” are) want to put us or the yezidis in bad light. OH GIVE ME A BREAK, even if this is a fake video, believe it or not, Kurdish women are not living in Paradise! Stop making up excuses!
2- But don’t be ashamed of being Kurdish! We are a beautiful people, with a beautiful culture and at the end of the day,this **** is all caused by the gruesome condition that we live in. Our men have lost all power, and the only thing they can do to pass time (remember: they are unemployed) is to bash the ladies. It does not justify, but it EXPLAINS!
Also, dear anyone, Kurds, white Americans, Black people: WE ARE ALL ANIMALS! We think we’re all smart and intelligent and civilized. But the truth is Kurds are animals. Whites are animals. Arabs are animals.
The problem is we think we are not. Whites think they are better. Blacks think they got it all because of their booty. Kurds think they are all that because of some empire we had long time ago. Persians whatever, they think they’re good at everything! Oh and don’t get me started with the Germans!
NO MAN, we are all evil. I have lost faith in humanity.
Seriously.
Animals behave better than this! Don’t forget Halabja 1989, Rwanda, Chile, Vietnam, Hiroshima, Bosnia! We, all of us, every socalled human race, is brainwashed, idiotic, crappy animals who are dependent on others’ ideologies and conditional love in order to survive.
We’re just too stupid to realise that!
June 15th, 2007 at 5:32 am
The difference is - it’s been over 80 years since the last lynching of white on black. The last mass lynching was in 1925.
But it’s been only weeks since the last black on white crime.
There’s the horrendous Christian/Newsome murders, before that Brian Nichols, the firing of Imus, the Duke rape case, etc.
The animal statement may be true; but I think people who willingly engage in these crimes and take pleasure in other peoples’ pain are the animals. Actually, I don’t know of any animal that takes pleasure in the pain of another animal; they kill to survive and to eat. What is the excuse for human beings to act like this?
June 17th, 2007 at 11:35 pm
What a fabrication. What do you base your story on? I saw the video on youtube and read articles about this. Why do you want to blame it on mulims now?
June 18th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
A 17 year old girl died in a brutal away and she will never live again. What were her thoughts while she was feeling every stone hitting her? Was she aware the fact that she was really going to die there, that she was going to live her last moment with an enormous block of concrete to her head, right in her face, that she wouldn’t live any more moments after those where she was laying on the ground searching desperatly for someone to help her?
She had all her life in front of her and just because her people still guide themselves through a book written ages ago, she died, humiliated, stoned to death! She was 17!!!!! She died for being normal????? She must have thought: “Why is this happening to me? Am I going to survive to this? Why me? I just want to be happy! But I am going to die here and now…..” and then she must have stop thinking because a hit like that makes everyone stop thinking and die.
She won’t come back. And that morning, the morning of 7 April, the last thing she probably had in her mind was that she wouldn’t live beyond that day and hours later she would be being stoned to death.
RIP with concrete blocks in hands so you can throw them back to those who threw them at you.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:34 pm
This is a disgusting act. If Saddam gassed the whole of Iraq the world would be a better place,going into iraq was not worth even the oil for low life parasites capable of this cruelty.
June 22nd, 2007 at 8:42 pm
We’re there to help ourselves; and keep the terrorists off of our soil and from attacking us again. And it’s working; some intercepted correspondence between terrorists confirm that Iraq and Afghanistan are the two fronts where Al Qaeda is concentrating their efforts.
Better there than here.
July 10th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
… I can’t beleive all you people!! Who cares what the bible/korahn/etc says or doesn’t say. Base your lives on the here and now. Besides, the religous writtings of all was probably some silly old stories to scare their people. Look, it’s working. People are so scared that they feel the need to repress what they are afraid of!! Obviously, it’s one “monkey” against the next. Unfortunatly, it’s the innocent who suffer from the next idiot’s crimes. This is not a contest on who “supposedly” knows the most religous ****. This comes down to one case in point…
Religion should be wipped off the face of the earth. Majority of these “church-goers” don’t even like going to church, or practice what they preech. Oh, by the way caos- you definatly need a job or something better and more constructive to do.I barely read your comments and from the very little I read, You sure like to get the last word in -who knows you may be just like all the people in the video of the stonning girl. You talk-and-talk-and talk, but when the ****hits the fan are your actions going to become violent???
July 10th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
This post is over two months old! Get a life!
November 4th, 2007 at 9:12 am
OMG! this by far the most shameful act I’ve ever seen in my life. I’m sorry but this is 2 month old and I have just seen it. I just saw the video for the first time and the ones in youtupe. May she rest in peace. I am from the Pacific and I don’t know much about the situation over that side but I do know one thing and being rejected of your free will is worst than death. I give my heart to all the suffering victims of War, terror and shameful killings like this. To protect shame and honour, you have brought the world’s attention but shame on and dishonour from all humanity. God help you all.
November 10th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Absolutely nothing excuses this. Nothing.
June 16th, 2008 at 4:25 am
It seems that everyone here thinks there race or religion is innocent and that any kind of atrocity was done by someone else.
June 16th, 2008 at 5:09 am
This isn’t about race; Islam is not a race. This is about Islamic terror which is promoted by Imams, mulluhs and clerics quoting from the Koran…and the reason why this little girl died a horrible death caught on film.
Honor killings are a part of what they bring with them wherever they go….and it is completely against western laws and cultural values; not to mention sexist~! Perpetrators like these might have been forgiven in a sharia - run court system, but they wouldn’t be here.
June 17th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Anyone who can believe God Almighty, by whatever name you choose to call God by, would sanction this slaughter of innocents, really needs to have their head examined!!!
Strapping suicide bombs to young women with Down’s Syndrome, who don’t have a clue what they are being asked to do, stoneing women and young girls to death for simply exercising free will and blowing up citizens of other countries because they don’t share your point of view, well, the God I honor and worship would never say “well done” to these acts regardless if it is a Christian, Jew, Buddist, (or most likely) Muslim committing them. According to my belief system, all terrorists will pay in the depths of hell for their heinous sins against humanity… period. Abu Fatma, it is plain and simple, as the Son of Man claimed. If you support sin, you will pay in the end, and there is no mention of 72 virgins either, as God doesn’t approve of pediphilia either!