9/2/2007

the death penalty protects the innocent

By: Cao, Filed under: Death Pen. , General @ 11:16 am

The moral inversion of the relativists who claim that the death penalty is equivalent to ‘human sacrifice’ is beyond comprehension. This was brought about as a result of the post on the convicted cop killer, Anthony Davis, and his victim, Mark McPhail along with McPhail’s surviving family members in Savannah, Georgia.

There are a lot more examples of elevating murderers to the status of heroes beyond the left’s turnout asking for clemency for Tookie Williams.

Let’s look at a few examples of the monsters that I’m aware of since I started blogging.

The Groene Murders

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As a teenager in Tacoma, Wash., Duncan raped and tortured a 14-year-old boy at gunpoint. Convicted as an adult, he spent 18 years in prison and was afforded many opportunities to overcome—or perhaps constrain—his psychopathic sexual urges.

He was released on parole in 1994. When he violated his parole, he was sent back to prison in 1997, and was released again in 2000 at the end of his sentence.

Ultimately, all efforts to ‘rehabilitate’ this cretin failed.

After prison, Duncan enrolled in college in Fargo, N.D., registered as a sex offender and spent several years without any reported lapses.

But he just couldn’t contain his natural impulses. He was accused of molesting a boy on a playground in Minnesota which would certainly have led him back to prison, so Duncan vanished from Fargo in a stolen Jeep, just weeks before he was to graduate from North Dakota State University.

Duncan, 42, a convicted sex offender, was released in May, 2005, on $15,000 bail after being accused of molesting two boys. But the previous April of 2005, he broke into the home of Brenda Groene and killed her, her 13-year-old son and her boyfriend. He then kidnapped Shasta and Dylan. (I’m questioning this chronology of events, it seems to be - at the least - very odd.)

Joseph Edward Duncan III was arrested on July 2, 2005, for abducting Dylan and Shasta Groene, murdering their family, in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. He had an extensive online presence on his blog, Blogging the Fifth Nail.1

From Buzzle.com:2

First Duncan served 14 years in prison for violently assaulting a boy at gunpoint, then he violated his parole and had to serve the remaining 7 years, and then he was arrested for molesting a 6-year old boy—and they released him on a paltry $15,000 bond? There’s no question that Duncan should have to pay with his life for the crimes he’s committed and the nightmare he put tiny Shasta Groene through. But whoever the judge was that released him should have to pay too, not only by losing his job, but hopefully also by being plagued with his own nightmares for years to come.

The Murder of 9-year old Jessica Lunsford

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There is John Couey, a convicted sex offender, who lived within sight of Jessica Lunsford’s parents’ house. Why he was running around is anyone’s guess, but he murdered little 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford after raping her and keeping her in his trailer. She was buried alive. He confessed to kidnapping, raping and murdering her, but the confession was thrown out because he didn’t have a lawyer present.

Funny how these technicalities allow these monsters to sidestep facing consequences for their actions. There are some interesting laws on the books that give protection to ’special groups’. One of the problems with the Couey case, which should be open-and-shut, is a Florida law which states a mentally retarded individual can’t be executed for any crime. Couey is ‘mildly’ retarded, according to the articles I’ve read, but that’s not true. He has an IQ of 78 and the judge said at his recent hearing that he ‘faked’ being mentally retarded.3 Mild retardation is considered an IQ of 60-704. Crafty legal ploy, though. Might as well try it, right? Because there is no denying he committed this crime.

The man is guilty, he did it, and that should be the end of it in my opinion.

Jessica’s father, Mark Lunsford, took the witness stand and spoke directly to the man convicted of killing his daughter.

“I hope you hear her cries as you try to sleep at night,”

Lunsford said, wiping tears.

“I hope you see the tears run down her face as she asked you to go home. I hope you spend the rest of your life in fear of death. You will never hurt another child.”

Lunsford then asked Circuit Judge Richard Howard to sentence Couey to death.5

Sentencing has tentatively been set for Aug. 10.

The death penalty was recommended but Couhy has still not been sentenced.

John Evander Couey Still Not Sentenced

June 22, 2007
Three months after a jury recommended the death sentence, John Evander Couey has yet to be sentenced and is not scheduled back in court for a hearing until July 17.

I Haven’t been able to find out if this hearing took place, or if it was continued.


Jury Recommends Death for John Evander Couey

Mar. 14, 2007
A jury of his peers took less than one hour today to recommend a death sentence for John Evander Couey for the kidnapping, rape and murder of Jessica Marie Lunsford.

Justice for Jessica: Couey Found Guilty

Mar. 7, 2007
A jury in Miami deliberated for almost four hours today before returning guilty verdicts in all charges against John Evander Couey in the kidnapping, rape and murder of Jessica Lunsford.

Closing Arguments Set in Lunsford Trial
Mar. 6, 2007
Closing arguments are scheduled in the murder trial of John Evander Couey after the defense suddenly rested its case after calling only one witness.

From the Tampa Bay Tribute’s outstanding Lunsford site6:
# Transcript of Deposition of Gary Atchison, lead detective
# Transcript of Deposition of Kenneth Slanker, one of the jail guards.
# Transcript of Deposition of Dr. Steven Cogswell, Medical Examiner
# Transcript of Sworn Statement of John Read
# Couey’s Indictment
# Couey’s Pyschological Evaluation
# March 17, 2005 (PDF, 94 pages)
# March 18, 2005 (PDF, 50 pages)
# March 20, 2005 (PDF, 54)

The Murder of 5-year old Destiny Norton

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To my knowledge, Gregerson had not committed a crime like this before, but other court documents point to a Craig Gregerson’s pattern of abuse.7 Craig Roger Gregerson, 20, was charged with capital murder in the July death of 5-year-old Destiny Norton, whose body was found in a storage container in Craig Gregerson’s house. His wife Catherine was not living with him at the time.

In December of 2006, the Salt Lake Deseret News reported on a case charging Catherine Gregerson, Gregerson’s estranged wife, with domestic violence stemming from an incident that occurred the April before Destiny’s murder. It really makes one question what is wrong with our justice system. In that incident, according to an article from Deseret News,8

Craig Gregerson grabbed the baby, yelled that his wife would never see the child again, and ran inside their home, locking the door. Catherine Gregerson kicked in a screen door, which Findlay said was in dilapidated condition anyway, to get the baby back.

“I don’t think a jury would convict her — not because her husband is Craig Gregerson, but because of the things that happened. I think they charged the wrong person,” Findlay said.

I should say they charged the wrong person! If the guy grabs the baby from her arms and locks the door, and she attempts to get the baby back, knowing that he’s violent and the police have been called on previous incidents, why fault the mother for trying to protect her child? Particularly in view of what we know about him now?

This is all ridiculous. He certainly shouldn’t be given all the chances that we’ve seen the courts give to convicted criminals like him. He should not be released so he can do it again.

The murders of Debra Evans and her children, baby cut from her womb

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Fedell Caffey, Jacqueline Williams and Levern Ward

Deborah Evans is pictured above with her children, 10-year old Samantha, and 9-year old Jordan. Their murderers, Fedell Caffey, Jacqueline Williams are pictured underneath. Levern Ward was the father of Evan’s unborn baby and toddler son, not pictured.

Evans was pregnant, and knew the baby was a boy. She’d already named him Elijah. Her 19-month old child, also fathered by Ward, was found at his dead mother’s side when her body was discovered.

Caffey and Williams decided they wanted a baby. So they shot and stabbed Debra Evans to death in her Addison, Illinois apartment and cut her nearly full-term fetus from her body.

Deborah’s father, Sam Evans, said: “She was killed for her baby. They actually cut her unborn baby from her womb as she was dying.”

To eliminate witnesses, they also murdered Evans’ 10-year-old daughter, Samantha, and 8-year-old son, Joshua (pictured above with their mother). Both Jordan and Eli survived.9

All three of these vicious people had long criminal records. Williams’ includes convictions for theft and forgery; Caffey for attempted theft, domestic battery and unlawful use of a weapon. Ward had served a three-year sentence for striking a police officer while trying to enter the home of a former girlfriend, and had been released from a prison work camp that January. Ward also had beaten Evans in the past, according to her cousin, Fred Moody.10

Note: Before George Ryan left office, he commuted 167 death sentences, including those of Fedell Caffey and Jacqueline Williams.11

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There are a lot more cases of this kind of thing…and the fact that society seems to believe that the murders of innocents are no big deal.

“If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call.”

John McAdams - Marquette University/Department of Political Science, on deterrence

The benefits of a legal system in which judges and juries have the option of sentencing the cruelest or coldest murderers to death far outweigh the potential risk of executing an innocent person. And there is this added reassurance: The risk of an erroneous execution is infinitesimal, and getting smaller all the time.

The death penalty makes it possible for justice to be done to those who commit the worst of all crimes. The execution of a murderer sends a powerful moral message: that the innocent life he took was so precious, and the crime he committed so horrific, that he forfeits his own right to remain alive.

When a vicious killer is sent to the electric chair or strapped onto a gurney for a lethal injection, society is condemning his crime with a seriousness and intensity that no other punishment achieves. By contrast, a society that sentences killers to nothing worse than prison — no matter how depraved the killing or how innocent the victim — is a society that doesn’t *really* think murder is so terrible.

But there is more to executions than justice for the dead. There is also protection for the living.

A recent study at the University of Colorado, for instance, finds “a statistically significant relationship between executions, pardons, and homicide. Specifically, each additional execution reduces homicides by five to six.” A paper by three Emory University economists concludes: “Our results suggest that capital punishment has a strong deterrent effect. . . . In particular, each execution results, on average, in 18 fewer murders — with a margin of error of plus or minus 10.”

Comparable results have been reached by scholars at the University of Houston, SUNY Buffalo, Clemson, and the Federal Communications Commission. All these studies have been published within the past three years. And all of them underscore an inescapable bottom line: The execution of murderers protects innocent life.

(When Murderers Die, Innocents Live-Jeff Jacoby, Boston Globe)

Bottom line is, you can see the trending of execution “stays” here, and I think this needs to stop.

The 635 killers who were executed between 1998 and 2005 had murdered at least 1315 people.
That is an average of 2.07 victims per executed killer.

1977 - 1997 Executions
There were 434 killers executed in this time period. They murdered at least 690 people.

  1. Huff, S. (February 21, 2006). Revisiting Duncan, and Beaner… History’s Miseries.[back]
  2. Orlando, L. (July 6, 2005) Idaho Girl Gives Disturbing Details of Her Abduction and Abuse: Shasta Groene, the 8-year old girl kidnapped from her home along with her brother six weeks ago, has told authorities the grim and nightmarish details of her ordeal at the hands of a convicted sex offender. Buzzle.com[back]
  3. (July 18, 2007) Judge: Sex Offender Faked Mental Retardation kyw.com CBS3.[back]
  4. Mental Retardation. Wikipeda.[back]
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  6. Smith Law Offices (March 16, 2007). John Couey Indictment, transcripts and misc exhibits SexCrimeDefender[back]
  7. Thomson, L. (December 2, 2006). Deseret Morning News “Domestic violence trial delayed for Gregerson”. Deseret News (Salt Lake City). Dec 2, 2006. FindArticles.com. 21 Jul. 2007.[back]
  8. Thomson, L. (December 2, 2006). Domestic violence trial delayed for Gregerson FindArticles.com[back]
  9. (September 29, 2006) Boy stolen from slain mother’s womb in 1995 is sweet, well-adjusted survivor. CourtTVnews[back]
  10. Edwards, C. Couple Killed Mother To Get Her Baby. Associated Press. Kentucky Kernel, the University of Kentucky’s student production. [back]
  11. Illinois - Outgoing governor empties death row of 167 killers. (2003). also on the same page, Veselenak, A. (undated). George Ryan: The Great Emancipator. Prodeathpenalty.com[back]

10 Responses to “the death penalty protects the innocent”

  1. Leroy Says:

    The death penalty does have a great effect upon innocents. This is because there are many innocent people who have been wrongfully convicted and placed on death row. Many of those innocents who have been the target of a death penalty prosecution are poor and members of minority groups. So yes, I guess I must agree with you in part, the death penalty does have a really strong effect upon innocent persons. It causes them to be wrongfully convicted and executed.

  2. Stout Republican Says:

    I’d love to see the statistics that backs that claim Leroy.

  3. Cao Says:

    I’ll bet he can’t produce them - or if he can, they’re from Amnesty International or the Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty.

  4. HoosierArmyMom Says:

    Leroy, that is not a convincing argument. Cao’s examples sited were cases of “repeat offenders” who each time committed more horrific crimes and who were indicted and convicted with “overwhelming evidence”. DNA evidence has cleared many wrongfully imprisoned people, the appeal process is carried out in each case, so I am not convinced that we put innocent people to death with today’s technology. Anyone who is sick enough to hurt and murder children NEEDS to be put to death for no other reason than cases show… they repeat the offense.
    Our children need to be protected. Period.
    And like Stout Republican, I’d like to see some evidence and statistics to support your claim.

  5. Sue Ann Says:

    Life in prison protects the public just as well as the death penalty. Most states and the federal government now have life without parole statutes which prevent release of a person convicted of first degree murder. So, life in prison is much better than the death penalty since mistakes like Leroy points to can be rectified. The only reason for the death penalty is revenge and an urge to kill which sadly lies within some people.

  6. HoosierArmyMom Says:

    Pediphiles are not curable,yet they are released from prison sentences and go out and do more crimes against children, as in the case of the Groene children. So tell me, how is society benefitting from keeping these monsters alive? I too believe that life without possiblity of parole is a good option, most of the time, but… when you have rock solid evidence in a case, the death penalty gives the survivors of the horrific crime the comfort of knowing the crime will NOT be repeated. Now if I understand you correctly, I guess when a child molester is “caught on tape” walking off with a child when she comes missing and then said child is raped over a period of days and buried alive on the man’s property (as in the case of Jessica Lunsford) … well, they may just find out at a later date that “he’s innocent”!!!! And no, I do not have a “killing urge” in me, but don’t test the waters when it comes to innocent children or my loved ones and family. I don’t forget the victims who live with the pain, such as Jessica’s father, saying “at least this man will never do this to another little girl”. And he will sleep knowing that this man will not slide through a loophole, isn’t living a party in prison like Richard Speck did off taxpayers dollars and justice is served. I don’t know what is so unclear about the idea that no one is saying the death penalty should be used in every case… I stated Overwhelming Evidence!!! And I stand by that!

  7. Christina Says:

    Leroy, statistically it’s far more likely that an unexectued murderer will kill again than that we’ll exectute an innocent man.

    From a public policy standpoint, we have to protect the greatest number of innocent people. And that’s gonna be by executing dangerous predators.

    Otherwise we’re saying that the lives of the guilty are worth more than the lives of the innocent.

  8. Christina Says:

    Sue Ann, Ted Bundy escaped TWICE to kill again. To let him live would be to say that his life was of more value than the lives of the Chi Omega girls he bludgeoned to death in their beds, more than the life of the 12-year-old girl he strangled to death while he was raping her.

    What is it about these guys that makes you feel so much more for them than you feel for their victims?

    Why zero compassion for the Chi Omega girls, for Kimberly Leach, and for the people who loved them and whose lives have been utterly destroyed?

  9. Cao Says:

    too small a number of guilty murderers, pedophiles and just plain sick criminals never make it to the ‘execution’ phase because they are allowed to enter endless appeals…until the victims are a dim memory and there is no one left to speak on their behalf.

    I am appalled that it has come to this, when you consider the millions of innocents that are silently killed by abortion every year.

    We have turned from a nation which protects to the innocent, to a nation that protects the criminal and celebrates the death of innocents - like Terri Schiavo.

  10. HoosierArmyMom Says:

    Ditto on that Cao! A child comes into the world helpless and innocent. They trust us to protect them with total blind faith. When that trust is betrayed, even if they are not killed, it scars them for life. And the idea that anyone can turn a blind eye to the fact that life is a blessing at any stage, even conception, well… lose you appreciation and respect for that, and you lose your humanity. And what happened to Terri Schiavo was horrible, but the way her “former husband” did her parents through the ordeal makes me sick to this day.

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