12/19/2007
Flight 93 Blogburst: Tbogg Lying to readers
TBogg’s phony excuse for the deleted Flight 93 document
Also posted at Error Theory.
Slight language warning, with Clinton-Lewinski analogy (4th section).
TBogg has posted an explanation for how Kevin Jaques’ assessment of the Flight 93 Memorial went missing from one of his comment threads. Sometime following “the Infamous Alec Rawls Comment Thread,” says TBogg:
… after I was done picking up the beer cans, cigarette butts, and the assorted discarded underwear, I switched from Blogspot comments to Haloscan. In the process, all of the previous comment threads were lost…Fortunately through the miracle of intertubes nerdiness the Lost Commentinent has been rediscovered and you can go read them here.
TBogg insinuates that the Holoscan snafu is the reason that the restored comment thread is missing the Jaques comment, but he does not actually say it, and for good reason. The Jaques deletion had nothing to do with any comment system switchover.
A commentator at Alec’s Error Theory blog looked up TBogg’s site on the Wayback Machine. Turns out that Wayback was taking snapshots of Tbogg’s comment threads every week. Only Blogspot comments show up on Wayback, but that is all that is needed to tell the tale.
Throughout the period in question (spring and summer of 2006) all of TBogg’s Blogspot comment threads are stable except for the “infamous” one, which actually exhibits quite a bit of activity. Not only did TBogg hand delete Jaques comment, but he was apparently torn about it, changing his mind a number of times over a period of weeks.
Background, for those who don’t know what Kevin Jaques did
It is not known exactly when Kevin Jaques was asked by the Memorial Project to write an assessment of Alec Rawls’s warnings about Islamic and terrorist memorializing features in the Crescent of Embrace design. Most likely he wrote it in late March of 2006, just before he posted it at the end of TBogg’s January 6, 2006 comment thread.
(If anyone wants to look, go open up the March 31st snapshot of TBogg’s site, then find the January 06 archive page. The Lunacy Abounds post is about a third of the way up from the bottom. Click on the permalink and the comment thread will appear, with the Jaques comment at the bottom. In the previous snapshot, March 28th, the Jaques comment has not yet shown up. Ditto for earlier dates.)
The Jaques comment is important because it shows the blatant dishonesty of the Park Service’s internal investigation. Jaques acknowledged that the giant Mecca-oriented crescent at the center of the design is similar to the Mecca direction indicator (called a mihrab) around which every mosque is built, then he told the Park Service not to worry because no one has ever seen seen a mihrab anywhere near this big before:
Thirdly, most mihrabs are small, rarely larger than the figure of a man, although some of the more ornamental ones can be larger, but nothing as large at the crescent found in the site design. It is unlikely that most Muslims would walk into the area of the circle/crescent and see a mihrab because it is well beyond their limit of experience. Again, just because it is similar does not make it the same.
The Park Service has released excerpts from Jaques’ comment, proving that the TBogg comment comes from Jaques, but it has never released the revealing parts, like where Jaques says not to worry because one has ever seen a mihrab this big before.
How to get rid of the body? TBogg has second, third and fourth thoughts
TBogg is THE source for the full text of Jaques’ analysis, with its blatant excuse-making for the giant mihrab. Having this analysis publicly available was a problem, both for Jaques and for the Park Service. Since TBogg had no way of knowing that on his own, it seems that somebody must have contacted him, because in the July 21, 2006 snapshot of Tbogg’s Lunacy Abounds comment thread, the Jaques comment is missing from the end.
Blogger allows blog administrators to hide and show comment threads, and it allows them to delete individual comments. Blogger also allows people who comment non-anonymously to delete their own comments. Jaques left his comment anonymously, so only a blog administrator could have deleted his comment. Unless TBogg got hacked, that would have been TBogg.
The August 21st snapshot of the Lunacy Abounds post shows shows TBogg having another thought. Here the entire Lunacy Abounds comment thread is hidden, while all the other comment threads on the archive page remain visible. (About half the posts in Wayback’s August 21st snapshot of TBogg’s January 2006 archive page do not have working permalinks, but of the pages that do come up individually, only Lunacy Abounds has the comment thread hidden.)
If “all of the previous comment threads were lost,” that was a separate incident. The archival record shows that a blog administrator went in and turned off the Lunacy Abounds comment thread by hand. Again, unless TBogg got hacked (or the Wayback Machine is wacked), that was TBogg.
Of course TBogg did not say anything about getting hacked. He insinuated that Haloscan is the culprit. Nope. Haloscan is innocent. Does TBogg want to try pointing the finger anywhere else?
On August 28, 2006, the “infamous comment thread” reappears, again without the Jaques comment. Wayback doesn’t have TBogg snapshots for 2007, but for most of this year the comment thread was again turned off (the Haloscan snafu?), until sometime recently TBogg himself retrieved the comment thread (without the Jaques comment) from the wayback machine and linked it to his original Lunacy Abounds post.
Not quite Hamlet. TBogg consistently wants the Jaques comment “not to be.” He just can’t decide how he wants it not to be.
TBogg’s Monica Lewinsky choice
To complete his Clintonian deception, TBogg makes an over the top admission, pretending it is all a joke:
So, yes. I have been busted. I’ve been getting more payoffs than Bill Bennett with a roll of nickels at Circus Circus. Between George Soros and Osama bin Laden I’ve received so many Miatas, that some of them are still sitting around in the blister packs.
At least he makes it amusing, but the joke is on the Bogglings. TBogg actually meant the “I have been busted” part.
Will TBogg’s legions of vitriolic followers take this Clintonian lie kneeling down? What’s it going to be TBoggers: spit or swallow?
TBogg will have to suffer some embarrassment for duping his readers, but so what? The man embarrasses himself every day. The important thing is that he is in a position to actually be of help in exposing the cover up of Islamic and terrorist memorializing features in the Flight 93 memorial.
Who contacted him? What did they say? Did he knuckle to a plea from Jaques alone, or was he actually contacted by the government?
TBogg could well have been duped himself. Maybe someone at the Park Service told him that this was an internal government document that was not supposed to be available to the public and asked if he could please remove it. Now that he knows a) that the Park Service is accused of perpetrating a cover up, and b) how the document that he himself covered up contains clear examples of dishonest excuse making, TBogg is in the same position as his army of Bogglings. He knows that he has been used.
Is he going to swallow it, or spit it out? Spit TBogg. You’ll feel much better in the morning.
Can’t we all just be against planting a terrorist memorial mosque on the Flight 93 crash site?
There is no reason for a left-right divide over the Flight 93 Memorial. It isn’t the critics of the crescent design that politicized the issue, but the defenders of the crescent, starting with newspapers like the Pittsburgh Post Gazette that knew about the Mecca orientation of the giant crescent back in 2005 and decided not to publish it. They were too busy using their editorial page to slam critics of the crescent as right wing bigots. Inconvenient facts could not be allowed to interfere with their chosen story line.
Then there are people like TBogg who politicize everything. Instead of checking the facts, he starts with his presumptions about which side he should be on, then looks for smarmy ways to characterize the opposition. That is not a rational thought process, but he can more than redeem himself if he will just stop deceiving everybody and start helping to expose the facts.
He could also give his moron brigades a chance to redeem themselves by asking them to actually check a couple factual claims about the crescent design:
Is the giant crescent is really oriented almost exactly on Mecca?Is the 9/11 date really inscribed on a separate section of Memorial Wall that is centered on the bisector of the giant crescent, placing it in the exact position of the star on an Islamic crescent and star flag?
Is it true that every particle of the original Crescent of Embrace design remains completely intact in the so-called redesign?
This is what the blogosphere OUGHT to be good for. If TBogg is too busy to check the facts, why not put his minions to work?
For more on who TBogg has been covering up for, see last week’s post on Dr. Jaques 2001 article, where he argued that we should formulate our response to the 9/11 attacks in accordance with sharia law. How did this advocate for Islamic supremacism become the Memorial Project’s sole consultant on the warnings of Islamic symbolism in the crescent design during a crucial period when the Project’s dismissive posture was set in stone?
If TBogg would tell us what he knows, it might help answer that question, or pose others equally important. No more deception. Just tell the damned truth.
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Flight 93 Blogburst: TBogg’s Phony Excuse for the Deleted Flight 93 Document
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December 19th, 2007 at 9:50 pm
Oh, now I get it, it’s your own little club thing. Looking at your other posts, the ignorance and arrogance explains itself. I’ll point it out again to you.
Comment. Blog.
Meh.
December 20th, 2007 at 5:19 am
I don’t know what ‘it’s your own little club’ thing means…anybody can join the blogburst, the instructions for how to join are at the end.
What it’s about is tbogg lying to his readers to cover up for the memorial project.
Not that lies mean anything to moonbats…some people were hopeful that the lefty blogs might actually realize these was of some importance.
Lefties can check the wayback machine just as well as anyone else.
but the bizarre stupidity of such a question indicates just like in so many other instances, lefties are willfully blind.
December 20th, 2007 at 7:18 am
A “blogburst” ? You manufacture the appearance of widespread interest by posting the same exact story everywhere you can ?
How pathetic.
December 20th, 2007 at 8:10 am
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December 20th, 2007 at 9:21 am
Yeah, gotcha.
Viking has it right, and while I certainly support the victims of Flt 93 and their families, I don’t see what your “blogschwarm” is trying to accomplish, other than some sort of faux outrage conservitard circle jerk.
You realize that the meme of “Bad American Memorial Design” isn’t exactly current events, most are a bad hodge-podge of other folks ideas. Washington gets an obelisk? WTF?!?!?!
You place some sort of evil-islamowhatever intent into this thing, how about you take your faux outrage where it belongs, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, and ask about that whole “OBL determined to attack inside US” PDB thingy.
December 20th, 2007 at 10:44 am
Looks like attacks with no attempt whatsoever to understand or look at the data, to me. How absolutely “Left Wing Moonbat” of you! I do this for a father of one young man who died on Fight 93. He is upset by the fact the “government people in charge” won’t honor his request to have his son’s name omitted from the memorial. As long as there is one surviving family member that is not happy with the “design” of a memorial that has not been built, then the change should be made. Period. We are not in this world to honor those who murdered airline passengers and office workers to “make a radical political point”, or to even take a chance that we are honoring these murderers. I find it really disconcerting that they don’t just make an appropriate change so this old man can go to his grave someday knowing his son’s act of bravery and sacrifice, has been appropriately honored. So what is wrong with that? What is wrong with scrapping something that hasn’t even been built? Your attacks on this are just showing your ignorance of common deciency and caring about others or the fact that you have a stake in this wrongdoing and are nothing but trolls. What a shame.
December 20th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
There are many blogbursts, this isn’t the first. It’s amazing to me that people would attack this as though it’s the FIRST EVER…
It’s simply another tool that bloggers have to get the word out.
There’s the blogs for borders blogburst (and they have a corresponding blogroll), The Tolkien blogburst, Stop the ACLU blogburst (and corresponding blogroll), the Wednesday Hero Blogburst, the Pinko Blogburst, and even a new service called blogburst.
As I recall, there are a lot more blogbursts that have been held in the past, too. Like the Kerry 180 blogburst, the “Free Jack Idema blogburst” and the Wictory Wednesday blogburst, to name just a few.
You’re just realizing this, LOL? bwahahahaha!
There was even a Whitetrash Wednesdays which was a blogburst of sorts.
Israpundit also had a one-time blogburst called Remember the Wannsee Conference and the Liberation of Auschwitz…. along with an associated blogroll.
And then there are trackback parties, those are a form of blogburst, to, I suppose.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:43 pm
CAO, attepting to futher explain this are merely making it look even more lame, give it up.
HoosierArmyMom, you do realize, of course, that plenty of folks hated the Vietnam, Korean and WWII memorials while on paper, there we Vietnam Vets who actually went out and did actual protesting (instead of lame azz “blogboists”) of it’s “dark” design, but none that I can recall had the utter gall to ask to have a name left off of it. And it has since become a icon (was gonna say “Mecca”, but your reactions would have been off the charts!) for Vietnam Vets, many of whom recently went to it’s Anniversary this year.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:44 pm
CAO, attepting to futher explain this are merely making it look even more lame, give it up.
HoosierArmyMom, you do realize, of course, that plenty of folks hated the Vietnam, Korean and WWII memorials while on paper, there were Vietnam Vets who actually went out and did actual protesting (instead of lame azz “blogboists”) of it’s “dark” design, but none that I can recall had the utter gall to ask to have a name left off of it. And it has since become a icon (was gonna say “Mecca”, but your reactions would have been off the charts!) for Vietnam Vets, many of whom recently went to it’s Anniversary this year.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pm
The explanation I gave may have been unnecessary for the learned individual, but I don’t consider you one of those, since your observations are idiotic. But that is what they were intended to be, right?
And so my explanation made your comments look foolish; and your repeating yourself in comments here did it again.
Maybe you ought to take you medication…?
You’re the ‘jester’, right? We’re SUPPOSED to laugh at you. So keep it up. At least for the short term, you’re providing moonbat entertainment.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:04 pm
You boys have waaaaay too much time on your hands.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:48 pm
hmm. Coming from someone who takes the time to keep coming back to police the comments section of an obscure blog in defense of his master and post multiple entries…is also rather amusing.
I don’t suppose this is the only blog you’re policing,
December 22nd, 2007 at 9:28 am
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