4/24/2008
imagine if homosexual activists could just shut up
Join in the celebration: the Day of Truth, which is on April 28th.
Click here to learn the TRUTH about homosexuality.
This is a long post, but there have been a lot of things going on out there that I need to discuss. One is my friend Stacy Harp and a two-year-old conversation she had with a gay activist that the activists are using to demonize her, attack her and say all kinds of vicious things about her. When listening to that exchange, it struck me as not only funny, but truthful. Stacy has a tremendous amount of courage to face down these people and call them out on their lies and the mind tricks they’re playing on people in order to promote their agenda. Some of the pictures of these people and how they’ve doctored up photos of their opponents demonstrates the juvenile position, and how they have little to back themselves up; except hatred and nastiness. But it’s not as though Christians aren’t accustomed to being persecuted - Paul was someone who rejoiced in being persecuted for Christ’s sake. Not realizing that, and that Stacy is being a champion to her faith, they think they’re accomplishing something with all the time they’re wasting fighting her and in obsessed posts about her. May God bless Stacy L. Harp and her handsome Christian husband Randall K. Harp! And may God continue to bless them for taking the biblical way in the end of times - when all manner of false prophets are out there deceiving us into thinking that bad is good and good is bad.
By the way, if this person thinks she’s following in Matt Barber’s footsteps, I say good for her.
This is the photoshop that they did of Sally Kern (from Americans for Truth, here), depicting her as a devil - simply for standing up to these bullies. They want tolerance for them, but they offer no tolerance for anyone else.
See here from LesbiaNation (doesn’t allow comments to unregistered commenters):
Sally Kern: Taking a Cue from Hitler’s Play Book
Unfortunately this person is wrong and misguided; Hitler’s playbook was from the socialist darwinian evolutionist playbook of the leftists of today, not Christian creationist capitalists; who are being chased out of the public realm, just like they were under Hitler. The myth of how gays were persecuted under Hitler is revealed in detail in a book called the Pink Swastika.
Excerpt here:
At the door of the Bratwurstgloeckl, a tavern frequented by homosexual roughnecks and bully-boys, Roehm turned in and joined the handful of sexual deviants and occultists who were celebrating the success of a new campaign of terror. Their organization, once known as the German Worker’s Party, was now called the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, The National Socialist German Worker’s Party — the Nazis.
The tactic of calling someone else names which you qualify for- seems to be the modus operendi of leftists today.
I guess we’re just supposed to ignore hateful emails like these coming from activists who appear to be like nazi stormtroopers:
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You sick motherfuckers. Dont you have something better to do with your time? If i ever see you in the street i will bash your face in.
Of course, part of the insults they hurl are those about being edumicated - because if we’d gone to a university, surely we would have learned the same loving ‘tolerance’ that they display. More here, directed at Sally Kern:
heard what you said and you should be killed you stupid cunt bitch! along with George W. Bush! Christianity is the cancer in our society and should be eliminated!
So these people advocate our deaths and threaten us, but that’s not hate???
You’re a horrible person who deserves to burn in hell. Go eat ur closeted girlfriends loose old vagina, stupid bitch looking like a cheep crack whore. Go suck some dick for money or friends WHORE *kisses* you stupid dyke
It’s funny that these people are gay but they think calling someone a dyke is an insult. I think Sally Kern was right - these people are demonstrating with their behavior that they’re domestic terrorists.
The video above is in response to a nationwide initiative, the day of silence, that will force our children to recognize something that we simply don’t see in the news media. The story they’ve chosen to puncutate their point is the story about 15-year-old Lawrence King, who was allegedly murdered because he was gay. I can find little about this story, but I find it–just like the Matthew Shepherd myth- seems to be promulgated by the activists, which leads me to believe it’s not true; or we aren’t hearing the whole story. This kid was troubled, wore nail polish and makeup, and was shot by a fellow student. But what they’re trying to accomplish with this - is promote the idea of ‘hate crimes’ like they have in the European Union - an assault on Christian values and freedom of speech.
It should be enough that the kid murdered another kid. He should be prosecuted for THAT. This hate crimes stuff should be thrown out the window, IMO…it’s contrary to our modern day laws, just like gun control is. Hate crimes laws are going to find Christians jailed for the most minor of infractions, and this type of propaganda and other theatrical displays are what are being used to force this on us. We are the ones that obey the law; so that is what makes this even more frightening to me.
According to the Los Angeles Times and KTLA, McInerney and some other boys accosted King about his sexuality on Feb. 11. Students apparently often taunted King, who didn’t even have a safe home to return to after school: he was living in a shelter for abused and troubled children.
The crime, a chilling execution carried out in a typical suburban school — allegedly by a boy who probably hasn’t started shaving — has shocked Oxnard and captured the attention of gay and transgender activists around the country. On Friday, the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force released a statement saying, in part,
“Our hearts go out to Lawrence’s family — and to all young lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender kids who are — right now, right this minute — being bullied and beaten in school while adults look the other way.”
Another group, the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) called for passage of the Matthew Shepard Act, which would dramatically increase the power of the federal government to prosecute hate crimes.
Where are all those cases of people being bullied and beaten?
Photo: Blue Oregon
Excuse me, but it appears to me as though these freaks are getting plenty of positive press. I’m sure if more of these bullied homos existed, we’d be hearing about it - because it’s part of the media’s agenda. Just as we saw image after image dragged out to bang on the Abu Ghraib ‘abuse’. Using anti-discrimination laws in order to include gays as a ‘protected’ group and pass laws against Christians and our freedom of speech is beyond ridiculous, since gays are a very small minority of the population. Since when did the minority get to dictate what the majority believes about sex-or ANYTHING? Is this now communist China or Russia? Now this ridiculousness has even been extended to those who are transgendered or transexual. Does this strike anyone else as completely weird and even anti-American?
Christian believers (like me) are not going out killing people in the name of their faith because someone is gay; it’s completely against the ten commandments, for one thing. Another is the golden rule - do unto others as you would have them do unto you. For another thing, people who bomb abortion clinics are wrong, although I can understand their anger in the secular humanist religion spreading, and the humanists chasing out any references to God, the bible, the ten commandments, and all that made America a once-great nation. It’s hard to believe the gatheists don’t understand what it is they’re doing to other people; or simply don’t care. I wouldn’t have minded if they’d just remained in the closet–but we are compelled by scripture to take a stand on this and witness to them. We are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God….that’s why Jesus’ story is so beautiful.
And that’s why they find it so frightening - there is even a blog by activists called ‘ex gay watch’. As though it’s a myth that people are finding Christ and turning away from their sin. Therapists learn to help people like alcoholics, that man has the ability to change–but in the homosexual lifestyle, that point of view is suppressed and discouraged. Why?
Have you missed the ‘persecution’ that zillions of homosexuals are undergoing on a daily basis? The harrassment? The bullying? I mean have you noticed the news coverage- aside from the myth they’ve invented about Matthew Shepherd or the oddball Westboro Baptists? Matthew Shepherd’s killers admitted that homosexuality had nothing to do with the crime; robbery was the motive. The Westboro baptists are an aberration; they don’t bully homosexuals; they bully regular Americans at funerals of military personnel. So it goes to show they hate the military, which is neither a Christian value nor an American one. They aren’t - to my knowledge - even harassing the people they’re claiming to hate. You would think someone would question such a fantasy event when it seems to me that it’s completely the opposite….the homosexual activists are attacking Christians and trying to run them out of the public sphere, along with the Bible, the ideology that condemns the behavior as that of Sodom and Gomorra.
It’s odd that they try to apply this moral relavitism to their side of the argument and whitewash the horrors of the sexuality they’re promoting, while tearing down a lifestyle that promotes protection of the innocent, protection of children, and biblical principles, which is the way it’s been for centuries…and which to my way of thinking if all very good stuff. Having a father who is present as a role model for children is a good thing. He should be the spiritual head of the family. He can give lessons to children that two mommies could never do–even if one of them is like this transexual woman who had a mastectomy and was taking male hormones–she is still biologically a woman; her DNA is still female. Right and wrong, and laws that makes sense-are the mark of a civil society, as our founders have said.
The Bible was a text book in our schools until the ’60’s. There was prayer in the schools, and there was the pledge of allegiance which said “one nation under God”. Now they’re trying to strike all of that in addition to our ability to preach the Bible in public places. They’re trying to get rid of the word “Christmas”, and get rid of the baby Jesus in creches during Christmastime. Since the majority of us still believe that Christ is Savior, I think it’s about time that we pushed back on this nonsense.
But in today’s world, ‘anything goes’, and that includes things that I can’t imagine in my wildest dreams. I have a hard time with these acronyms because some of these activists are active members of NAMBLA - the North American Man Boy Love Association.
If homosexuals were bullied as they claim, why isn’t there more news coverage about it? The news coverage the homosexual activists get is so slanted in their favor that it covers up what is actually going on with this issue; like most news reports of today, regardless as to the subject matter. Being ‘bullied’ is a far cry from what is actually happening.
we need an official government investigation of the health risks of homosexual practices — especially among men. Until we get one, this Food & Drug Administration (FDA) statement will have to do.
I challenge all those who make the dubious case that there is a disproportionately high health risk for males practicing homosexual behavior (compared to heterosexuality) to read this FDA policy explanation on banning blood donations from homosexual men. Those taking up my challenge can write AFTAH at americansfortruth@comcast.net. I extend my challenge especially to vocal pro-homosexual activists.
Will they sue the FDA for ‘discrimination’? Or will they complain that this is the result of bigotry? People need to get a clue that there are indeed health risks to this devastating “choice” that has creeped out into the public fore. Facing this head on is what needs to be done.
bliss…I say…it would be bliss…no lies against Christians for a day… or conservatives who agree homosexuality is sin….no mocked up pictures, no expletives and hate and anger towards people who realize homosexuality is a sin and unnatural, and no hate email from their minions that follow them….imagine…one could only hope…
The problem is…even if they shut up for one day, they would be back. They are relentless and sick, and in darkness, and we should pray for them. They spread their hate for the majority of Americans who believe in marriage between a man and a woman, and who are resisting teaching the lies about this deviant behavior in our schools; and are resisting the media whitewash; and are calling out the truth about homosexuality.
We are not supposed to be of this world…we are to follow what the Bible tells us; because it is only there that we can find the truth. And is from there that we can find out what even churches are promoting which are lies. Tolerance is a lie, if we are to be true to God. There should be intolerance for the culture of death, otherwise we’ll get sucked into it. And to a great degree, this nation has been falling for it.
But there is much more to the Christian aspect of this. Gay activists turn on Christians because we quote scripture and most of them are atheists. They turn on Christians because they are bigoted against an ideology that is clear about what is right and wrong, and condemns their behavior for what it is - deviant. They are pushing an immorality on us that is almost unthinkable; it is, in fact, part of the culture of death.
But what of the recent admission from a gay activist that the lifestyle is indeed dangerous?
By recently admitting that “HIV is a gay disease,” Matt Foreman, outgoing Executive
Director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, acknowledged what the medical community has known for decades: the homosexual lifestyle is extremely high-risk and often leads to disease and even death. - Peter Labarbera
So if someone is choosing a lifestyle that could shorten their lifespan - like smoking, for example, isn’t it our duty to warn them? So why is it that gay activists are so adamant that these truths not be talked about? Why do they use the anti-discrimination laws in order to shield the public from knowing the truth?
One has to wonder with all of the facts that are piling up, why they continue their relentless attack on the freedom of speech of just one isolated group: Christians. As long as we spout the c-word, or mention the Bible, we are inherently evil because we see a distinction between what it is that they’re advocating, and what is good, honest and right.
When did ‘freedom of speech’ disappear? When did it become politically incorrect to have opposing views and debate them? When did it become acceptable to so viciously attack someone as the activists do Peter and Stacy for simply telling the truth? What is it that they’re so afraid of? No one is posting their addresses, or inviting violence on them–but I see plenty of that type of behavior on the left side of the sphere. They’re supposed to be promoting “tolerance” but they are incredibly “intolerant”. Nobody is telling them what to do - just that in our view, the lifestyle is wrong, and it is wrong according to the Bible.
We do it like a parent tells his child to look both ways when he crosses the street; out of love.
April 24th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Thanks for the support Cao. Great post. I linked back to you.
April 24th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Thanks, Stacy. Thanks for all you do.
April 25th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Cao,
I have just spent some time reading through your blog and this post about your views on homosexuality. As a *** man, I feel truly scared reading the picture you have of people like me. I am truly afraid. I don’t believe that I have seen such enemy images.
I would venture to ask, do you really not have any empathy for people who are *** or are we just the enemy?
April 25th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I should let Larry Sinclair answer you question, you are making me laugh with this ‘fraidy cat’ act, but thank you for taking the time to read one or two posts that have given you the false impression that you’re whining about.
You’re familiar with Sinclair, aren’t you? I’ve interviewed him on my radio program. Here is his blog. He and I are in contact by phone, and I consider him a friend…just like I do other *** people. I do not ‘hate’ ****; I think they’re misguided and lost. And that’s what scripture says.
Larry did cocaine and had homosexual sex with Barack Obama in 1999 in the back of a limousine and Obama’s campaign responded in Puerto Rico. Surely you’ve heard of this case, I wonder why you haven’t come out in support of him? The murdered *** choir director, Don Young, contacted Larry before he was murdered. Where is your outrage?
Do you really not have any empathy for your fellow **** or people like me who are trying to get this story out and support Larry in his efforts, or do your fellow **** have to hold the same politics and radical ideology as the activists to be acceptable?
Larry said he doesn’t mind what I’m putting up; because it’s the truth; I sent him a note about this yesterday before I put this stuff up. He told me not to ever worry about his being offended.
So my question to you is - why are you pretending to be ‘afraid’? Do you honestly think that ploy is going to work here, all things considered?
I’ve had Larry on my radio show three times, but we are in constant touch. All I ever show Larry is love; but we are allowed to disagree and still be friends. Are you unfamiliar with that concept, Joe? I tell people the truth because I love them. Others are doing the same thing, why is that objectionable to you? Isn’t there room for more than one opinion? And in the end, we can thank God we live in a country where a certain point of view isn’t shut down and called “hate speech” like it is in the European Union and Canada? But…Is this the same agenda you are trying to force on people like me, Joe?
The most recent update from Larry is 1/2 way through the show above; from Saturday, 4/5.
These are the two others:
This is the first show from 2/17:
This is the Larry Sinclair update from 3/15:
I’ve also written about it a bit…and have been in touch with Larry myself.
4/19 Obama and Ayers
4/17 shifty Obama
4/12 Obama takes the long way around
4/12 Obama supporters are scarey
4/6 what the…?
4/5 Today on blogtalk radio
4/4 Larry Sinclair’s federal motion
3/16 Larry Sinclair is receiving death threats
3/13 Special blogtalkradio show on Saturday with Larry Sinclair
3/6 Barack Obama: another snakeoil salesman
3/5 Larry Sinclair has a blog!
3/2 Parisi bounces check to Sinclair
2/25 Barack’s funny hat moment
2/25 Statement from Larry Sinclair
2/24 hysteria put to rest by Whitehouse.com-Sinclair was set up
2/18 Larry Sinclair’s photo-*cao’s blog exclusive*
2/17 Blogtalk Radio with Larry Sinclair
2/17 Reverse Speech of Barack Obama sex and drug allegations
2/16 whitehouse.com $100,000 challenge to Larry Sinclair
2/11 Larry Sinclair filed a civil suit today against Obama *Cao’s blog exclusive*
1/27 the Obama challenge: Larry Sinclair
April 25th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Joe,
I can personally tell you that Cao is in no way trying to degrade anyone. I have come to know this lady and become good friends with her.
I as a life long *** male have often been on the other side of *** protesters because while I believe you should speak what you feel, I have seen people try and use their sexual preference as an excuse, and I personally as a *** male think that needs to stop.
Please understand that Cao is not in any way attempting to attack anyone or their lifestyles, but when people use that life style as an excuse to protest something or try and force something, I too say “shut up”.
April 26th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Cao, Stacy is my friend, too. I’ve reviewed books for her for almost 3 years. And, I don’t think she has a mean bone in her body! She just wants people to know the truth and be set free!
You are so right! Stacy does have to have lots of courage to face what she does from these people in telling them the truth. I could never do it!
April 27th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Ah, gee….that was so sweet Barb, and great comments from Larry too
April 28th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Well despite your best efforts here, I am still fear people like you and Stacy.
When I read your words above that say, “you are making me laugh with this ‘fraidy cat’ act” I feel great saddness. I have been the survivor of two brutal and violent *** bashings. I have great reason to be afraid of a message the I believe creates “us vs. them” atmospheres as they can lead to violence.
Barb refers to GLBT folks as “these people” which is a great example of the us vs. them thinking.
I don’t believe Stacy has a mean bone in her body either. I don’t believe anyone has a mean bone in their body. I believe in the process of meeting our emotional needs we can cause great harm to others. I believe the best of intentions can lead to the greatest of harms. It isn’t a matter of people having good intentions but the outcomes of their actions.
In both Stacy’s case and yours, CAO, I fear for the outcomes.
Ps. I don’t believe a word of the Larry Story. It may in fact be true, but so far I am not convinced by the evidence.
April 28th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
So what would stop you from ‘being afraid’, Joe?
If you were so “afraid” you would know when to hang up the phone.
You’re afraid of everything, probably your own shadow, and talking all that nonviolence stuff makes you feel important because you think you’re Martin Luther King reincarnate. That is why a lot of your *** friends are tired of your BS.
That schtick you’re pulling- trying to intimidate me with that ‘I’m so askeered of you - that’s why i came to your website to say it in your comments section” - isn’t working.
Try something else.
And I don’t particularly care if you believe Larry or not. Chambers called Larry only to hang up on him when they got in touch - because Chamber did his research elsewhere instead of going to the horse’s mouth. I know that the *** community is very tight, but I would hate to think that you would leave one of your own out in the cold because of politics or the power of Obama. Then there is that little matter of Donald Young’s murder. Would you be afraid because Donald Young contacted Larry before he was found dead? I would like to see that investigation move and find out who the perpetrator was. And since the circumstances of Young’s contacting Sinclair lead back to Obama, it’s no wonder that nobody in the *** community wants to back Larry Sinclair. But that sounds rather spineless to me. I mean if you’re REALLY so anti-violence and all.
But then…that kind of inhumanity is what you’re accusing me of…yet I’m not supposed to be afraid of YOU, now, am I, despite the fact that activists are threatening the free speech of Christians like Stacy and me? And issuing death threats?
Wouldn’t that mean that the shoe should be on the other foot? Particularly when it’s activists like “the Blenders” who are sending death threats to heterosexuals?
I don’t know of any Christian who engages in that kind of behavior, yet you are “afraid”.
Pity. You need some counseling, it sounds like.
April 28th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
what a positive questions you ask?
I would be a whole lot less afraid for the world if I knew we were making decision and choices that lead us to peaceful understanding. I would less fearful for the future if I saw that GLBT folks can walk down the street without being concerned that someone will beat the, shoot them or shout nasty names at them just for who they are attracted to.
When I read your statement about hanging up because of fear, I must say my fears will not be the drive for me to back down. I am not afraid for me, but for all of us.
April 28th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Well -kumbaya!!! What a fantasyworld you live in!~
Is that really happening, Joe? Give me the stories; the links to the incidents where GLBT folks are beaten or shot. I can give you many examples and statistics regarding the numbers of heterosexuals murdered by homosexuals, yet I’m not “afraid”; and it’s an amazing number when compared with the small percentage of the population is occupied by GLBT folks.
On “nasty names”, how do people know your sexual orientation just by looking at you? Isn’t sexual orientation about sex? Isn’t sex private? Aren’t you just a teensy bit paranoid? Unless you’re provoking a response like you are here in comments, I don’t see that you have a thing to worry about.
Fear is something you can overcome; it’s a mental problem that doesn’t involve outside influences. Many fears, such as agoraphobia, fear of spiders or fear of flying, are strictly between the ears and can be treated with help.
If you’re afraid someone’s going to beat you up, get a firearm or something to protect yourself. If you’re that much of a nonviolence freak, then maybe you should just stay behind a locked door. But do me a favor then, and stay off my blog, will you?
You seem to me to be a very disturbed person who needs some help; please go somewhere and get it and stop harassing me about your fear, which seems to me to be based on your overactive imagination.
April 28th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Joe, maybe if so many in the “GLBT” community weren’t working so hard to foist off their lifestyle on our children by telling my 8 year old son that someone wanting to stick their ***** in his **** is perfectly natural and acceptable behavior maybe the folks that walk down the street so damned proud of the fact that they are a rope smoker or a ************** wouldn’t get their asses beat down.
April 28th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Feel the love !
April 28th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Just as I thought. Joe can’t come up with anything that justifies his fear.
April 28th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
You’re *** baiting, Samuel. In a really weird kind of a way, you’re trying to provoke a response with that ‘fear’ talk. Let’s talk reality:
In all of 2004, there was 1 anti-homosexual murder in the United States, and the FBI has reported none since. Of greater concern among homosexuals is the higher risk and more frequent incidence of *** Domestic Abuse in same sex domestic partnerships than among the heterosexual population.
Your fear may be justified, but looking at Cao or Stacy as the source of that fear is rather over-the-top. This is what psychologists call “transference” or “projection”.
# U.S. Department of Justice — Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Reports, Offense Type by Bias Motivation, 2004 Table 4.
# ↑ *******, ***, Bisexual and Transgender Domestic Violence in 2001, National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs, 2002.
April 28th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
see here
The Surgeon General is warning about the health hazards of the *** lifestyle:
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There is good reason to warn the people we love - and yes, Joe, that includes you - of the dangers of accepting this ‘choice’ as a lifestyle.
April 28th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Homosexual serial murder investigation
I think this stuff is far more scarey than than the vague fear that Joe describes. The vague fear that Joe describes can be categorized as restriction on my free speech.
The WSJ said in “hate politics”:
Like all restrictions on free speech, bans of “racist” or “homophobic” expression rests on a slippery slope. Some Christian denominations believe that homosexuality is a sin. Are their clerics to be silenced by law because this view is unacceptable? … We aren’t there yet. But when people can be given additional time in jail for what they were thinking while committing a crime we are approaching rule by a thought police. A good many people, even some supporters of hate-crime legislation, might find that a hateful outcome.
Joe, I am concerned about outcomes, too, although I’m not afraid.
April 28th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
The pro-homosexual movement can only marginalize us if we allow ourselves to be marginalized. There are two ways we can do that: a) we exhibit hate toward homosexuals rather than love, or b) we remain silent. We must proudly champion God’s love toward the homosexual without condoning his or her behavior. Let His love shine through us, and may we all be examples of the morality God desires.
April 28th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
That may be true, but-what if they’re projecting hate where this is none?
Joe is saying he is ‘afraid’ supposedly because of my “hate”, but I don’t have any.
So what is the definition of “hate”, exactly -other than my holding to a biblical worldview? And if holding to a biblical worldview is hateful, then hasn’t the world turned up side down and shouldn’t we set it right again?
April 28th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
CAO,
I have never said I am afraid because of your hate. I actually don’t agree with that statement. You said that one, not me.
April 28th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
ok then joe, what are you afraid of? Now see I could insert jokes here about you probably being afraid of spiders and mice, like a lot of women are, but I will refrain from doing that.
I could also ask if you are afraid of being caught in clothes that are so last year, but I won’t do that either.
What I will do is ask you what scares you about what Cao has written?
April 28th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Kender,
Its you jokes that are the reason I am not going to answer.
I do notice here that people seem more interested in winning debate then having a conversation. There are some interesting questions and comments hidden in some very mean spirited comments.
I value good dialog and conversation. I avoid “jokes” at other people expense and I certainly avoid people putting words in my mouth.
WIth that said. I don’t see this as very productive. Nothing good is going to come from this conversation, so why continue it.
Thanks for the chat!
April 28th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
I meant to add that if you truly want to get a message to GLBT folks, then you should try a message that wins “over” them not “against” them.
April 28th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
I would like to know what Joe thinks about the militant hate email I’ve received from one of the *** men that I posted on my site. Here’s the email lest you missed it Joe..
“Timothy Smith writes…
You have got to be the ugliest piece of **** I’ve ever encountered. Your obsession with *** men is really bizarre. I guess you’re just another ***-hag who can’t make it with a straight men so you focus your anger on *** ones. Here’s a little clue sister…I don’t give a **** about your holy-roller attitude…and…if we ever encounter each other in public….I guarantee you’ll find out what it feels like to get some of that good old “hatred” right back in your ugly mug! BTW….I’d rather piss on your grave than give you the time of day! ****!”
Now that is HATE, and not only HATE but also just more evidence that some homosexuals are the ones we should fear from violence….I think it is pretty clear this Timothy Smith guy is all about me wanting to meet his hatred face to face…
April 29th, 2008 at 6:06 am
Joe-you use your victimhood as a badge that validates your irrational fear. You have provided me with no examples of people beaten or shot in the streets; only the alleged two incidents you experienced.
Are we just supposed to take those at face value? That might work with your friends to illicit sympathy, but forgive me if I’m skeptical. What were the circumstances around this ‘*** bashing’ you claim to be a victim of? For every action there is a reaction.
Were the people who did it caught? Arrested? Prosecuted? Was it in the news? Were you in the hospital? What kind of injuries did you sustain?
You see, you’re pulling out these really vague references and are using sweeping generalities to justify your position that don’t amount, really, to a hill of beans.
You talk about people ‘like you and Stacy’ - which is framing that ‘us versus them’ argument you’re claiming I’m making; but I guess it’s okay because you’re the victim. But were Stacy and I the ones who beat you up? And is it fair to fear/hate a group of people based on those experiences? Not everyone is the same, Joe. It seems you’re using that alleged “***-bashing” incident in order to justify your bigotry against Christians. Where did it happen, in church? In a church parking lot? Were you beaten by a pastor, or what? What a shame that is; you’re missing out on a whole lot of love and attention. Isn’t that the reason that you’re doing this–because you crave attention?
What of the resources and statistics cited here? that you completely ignore? You’re framing your argument purely from an emotional standpoint.
There is more to this than emotion, and we should be able to separate irrational fears from the realities. We should be allowed to talk about it without injecting the ‘fear’ element.
Since you have no answer as to what it is I wrote that made you fearful, what of the health risks, Joe? It seems that you’re taking a lot of risks here in order to embrace and defend this frightening culture of death.
I hope it’s worth it…because in the end, homosexuals have a shortened lifespan.
Good luck with that, my dear young fellow. I’ll keep praying for you.
April 29th, 2008 at 6:07 am
Still waiting for the answer to that one, Joe.
April 29th, 2008 at 10:01 am
I have sat back and kept my tongue on this issue. Zombietime.com has photos from San Francisco *** Pride events online. Grown men parading around nude in the streets in front of a public that includes children, committing sex acts on each other in public, blashpheming God in the name of “self promotion” and forcing their personal politics on the rest of America has done nothing to make me feel safe Joe. I have known **** who were good citizens and neighbors and had reached the conclusion that though I disagree with the lifestyle, these individuals deserved some respect in my community, C’est la vive, different strokes for different folks… etc. Now that so many have made it a point to be militant about being something the majority of America doesn’t agree with and shoving moral depravity down our throats… I’ve lost my “tolerance and respect” for the whole “*** thingy”. Much like seeing so much marxist and anti-American **** in the Demonrat Commie Party has caused me to shed my libtard belief system. I have no intention of worrying about being fair to a community (*** community) that tries to push their agendas on society with storm trooper tactics. Save your drama for yer mamma Joe!
April 29th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
…and Hoosier Army Mom spanks the entire *** community with one short paragraph and not a one of ‘em are gonna ask for more I’d wager.
Way to go Hoosier Army Mom….
April 29th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
here, here!
Thanks for stopping by, HAM.
Kender, he’s afraid of your jokes. So he refuses to answer!
How mature!
Stacy, WOW.!!
I’m growing tired of this, as I see it’s a waste of my time and my readers’ time. So if all Joe can say is he’s afraid of me and Stacy, without citing any concrete reason, then I’m going to end this right now and close comments on this thread.
Thank you all for your valuable input - great information is cited here.
Next!
April 29th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
BUt Joe, I did NOT insert those jokes. I said I could, but I wouldn’t (perhaps snark is lost on you, which is odd since most *** guys I know are very snarky) and we are having a conversation.
The LGBT community uses attacks against peoples free speech to shut them up and shut them down, and have made saying anything even remotely negative about their lifestyle almost a hate crime, so is it any wonder that people that do not agree with your choices (and who you sleep with is a choice, unless you are raped) are speaking out even more forcefully?
When you have “parades” of people in assless chaps tonguing each other in public and queening down the road in front of our children you have over stepped the bounds of decency, and every *** man I know cringes when they see that and decry the out there queens that give them a bad name. We don’t care who you sleep with, just don’t push it in our faces as if it is normal.
So if you want to bow out of this conversation for whatever your reason is feel free, but remember that it is missed opportunities like this that lead to the constant schism in the various communities.
IN case you want to come back and answer what you are afriad of let me toss another question at you;
What do you think of thsoe that parade so shamelessly around our streets during pride festivals and getting in the face of the majority straight population?
April 29th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
I take it back, Kender just extended an open invitation to Joe to explain what the hay he’s talking about.
Okay, comments are open again.
Here’s Joe’s latest, referring to comments on this thread. He is purposely choosing to be sad; and he’s choosing to ignore the information cited and instead stresses his addiction to fear and sadness.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Kender, you know you get me all worked up when you talk about “spanking”… LOL!!! Ok, so much for the joking around.
I just don’t like it when people try to use a lie to reject the truth. ie. “I’m Skeered”. Joey needs to grow up and speak up like a man and quit playing games on blogs.
April 30th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
I went to joe’s blog and asked him there but he did not approve the comment. He doesn’t wnat to talk about issues, just fling around victimhood and poor me diatribes.
What a ***.
April 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
he’s determined to sit on the pity pot.
April 30th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Pathetic. People who are addicted victimhood and self pity are such a waste.
April 30th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
I am a firm believer in peace. I am also an atheist who feels scared that the world is going in a scary direction at the hands of our various beliefs in god.
Seems ole Joe is just “skeered” of everything including Christians and God. So belief in God is scary and Christians and their dreaded beliefs are threatening??? The fact that there are so many misinformed liberal peace thugs out there attacking young girls in wheelchairs is kind of scary to me! What a confused soul.
April 30th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
He came here intentionally baiting me or others in order to create content for a blog post. That was rather pathetic considering all he seems to be able to do is blame others for his misery.
Without us, what would he have to blog about?
May 1st, 2008 at 11:24 am
I’m still waiting for Joe to denounce Adam Kautz and Timothy Smith’s emails to me, and since Adam writes at Joe’s blog, I think it’s rather hypocritical of Joe to stay silent.
May 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm
I hope you aren’t holding your breath Stacy. Liberals are never repentant about being hypocrites.
May 1st, 2008 at 10:13 pm
I know…trust me, I do know.
May 2nd, 2008 at 6:07 am
hmmm. Adam writes at Joe’s blog? How interesting!
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:38 pm
I don’t know Tim Smith, but either way my site makes more than a dozen or so statements condemning this behavior as “not helpful”.
I am not going to praise these boys or denonuce them either. I will say that Stacy, it seems like they didn’t meet your need for respect and that you are feeling angry with what messages they sent you. Do I understand your where you are coming from?
I als think that I hear you saying that you are angry about my silence on the issue as you are needing me to denounce and reject their statements because of my stand on nonviolence. Do I understand your position?
May 3rd, 2008 at 4:12 am
Joe, shouldn’t every one be respected? Or is Stacy’s ‘need for respect’ something you don’t particularly care about because she’s a Christian and your bigotry against Christians is once again showing through?
Perhaps ANGER has nothing to do with it and she’s simply offended. Homosexuals seem to be overly sensitive about being offended themselves, but have no thought about offending/violating or being rude to other people: demonstrating a hypocritical double standard.
Tell me, considering what people have written to Stacy, and even about me - why we should care about your being offended? And why should we care more about your feelings than anyone else’s?
It’s always interesting to watch the absence of a response to that, LOL
May 3rd, 2008 at 9:55 am
Joe — I am anything but angry, or bitter or any of the other adjectives you like to throw out. And I don’t have a need for respect either, but the point is your side of this debate is vicious and nasty and vile and as you would say, their speech would lead to violence…and in the case of your buddy Adam, who you allow to blog at your site, I think you’re a total hypocrite, as for Tim Smith, the guy basically says he wants to kill me and you say nothing….wow…talk about your ilk. Like it or not, if you don’t denounce your ilk, you agree. That’s my point.
May 3rd, 2008 at 10:43 am
Look over this paragraph and recall what Joe has said here that fits into it.
Did he have to say the words “hate” in order for us to understand his message?
Mary Stachowicz’s murder at the hands of homosexual Nicholas Gutierrez…is a case in point on that score.
May 3rd, 2008 at 10:53 am
I am intimidated by *** men. I fear they want to rape me, therefore when a *** man talks to me it is a hate crime because I am intimidated.
May 3rd, 2008 at 11:56 am
Stacy,
I have an entire blog filled with two years of writings denouncing glbt folks who use tactics like those. I feel confident I have denounced and rejected all forms of violence. If you feel that I should denouce it some more because it involved you then you should have emailed me and made such a request, not a demand. But think about it, why would I have made a specific mention of the mail you get? Why do you feel you are so important that I should denounce your email from activists? If you had made a reasonable request for me to denounce it, I would have but you made a demand instead. I don’t much give in to demands.
As for cao, I am not sure what you are even talking about. I did recently write a piece on my blog entitled how to oppose homosexuality without hate. One of the main points I made is that GLBT folks are human beings. We are capable of decent conversations but like most, would prefer that be civil discourse.
Civil discourse usually consists of “I” statements and valid points of argument.
Here is a sample of what I have heard on this thread about me or at me from you guys….
-rather hypocritical of Joe
-he’s determined to sit on the pity pot
-he’s afraid of your jokes. So he refuses to answer
-You seem to me to be a very disturbed person
-You’re afraid of everything
-What a confused soul
-If you’re that much of a nonviolence freak
-He came here intentionally baiting
-Seems ole Joe is just “skeered” of everything
-What a fantasyworld you live in!
Is this what you call civil discourse? I am happy to have a civil conversation with most people, but this is not civil discussion. I avoid bully tactics, insults and name calling as I see them as unproductive and divisive. If you would like to engage in civil discussion, then email me, otherwise this looks like school yard bully play that doesn’t help anyone.
May 3rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm
well waddya know, Joe can’t help himself - I was warned he’d keep circling until he started commenting again, despite the post at his blog that said he ‘quit’.
May 3rd, 2008 at 12:39 pm
JOe, what you call civil discourse seems tome to be ***** footing around. There is a difference between civil discourse and walking on eggshells.
I would go into a diatribe about your extremist philosophy (extremely non violent to the point of anyone saying anything that makes you feel bad makes you claim foul) but instead I will just say that you are a ******* ***** *** ***** that loves to whine that people are being mean to you. Do us a favor and stay the **** off this site and stick to your little corner of whiner-space and let the adults that can handle criticism do what we do.
BTW, nice of you to come over here and whine while not approving comments that put you on the spot at your site.
As I said, ******* ***** *** *****.
May 3rd, 2008 at 1:03 pm
It sure gets tiring reading about him sitting on his big pity pot…
May 3rd, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Joe…you make me laugh…..
May 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Joe runs his blog the way he wishes the world worked; as though it were run by nazi stormtroopers.
And apparently he’s willing to violate his own promises of quitting because he’s so ‘depressed’ over the statistics we’re quoting, and being faced with reality….that he just can’t shut up.
“***” activists risk your life — tolerate it!
But Joe only sees this “violence” thing in one way - in one direction - and there is only one group of people he’s afraid of. It’s really very interesting when you think about it…
May 3rd, 2008 at 6:00 pm
And Joe, if that’s the best you can do as far as insults go, let’s recap a comparison from the homosexual activist Timothy Smith:
Or these, aimed at Sally Kern:
How “peaceful”!!!
How “civil” and “tolerant”!
How “appropriate”!
How “interesting!”
I really love how they keep using the word moron, when the 1st amendment comes first, and guarantees us freedom of expression and freedom of religion: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. We adhere to all of these. The 14th amendment is about Citizenship Rights, but to my knowledge doesn’t afford homosexuals protected class status.
It’s interesting that this individual thinks the ‘nazi freaks’ are the republicans. In Nazi Germany, the nazis were the socialists, who were trying to do the same things the *** activists are today…Hitler actually gave his speeches in a *** bar. And what they did was get rid of the Weimar Republic, the same thing the activists are trying to do with our democracy, since we are no longer a republic…thanks to their socialist policies…
What the hate is, what the lies are, and what makes a nazi in this person’s mind, we’ll never know. But we know that name-calling is a forte for homosexuals. In “The Pink Swastika” it was also observed that homosexualists make exceptionally skilled liars.
Maybe you ought to go to the dictionary and review what civil discourse means, because your side of the aisle has cornered the market on ‘nasty’ ‘hate-filled’ comments and emails, not to mention death threats.
And oh, look, we’re not all bothered and askeered by all the things that are much worse than the tender softball comments that were thrown your way, Joe, LOL…! If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Toughen up a little, will ya? Are you a man or a mouse?