6 Responses to “the born gay hoax”

1. HannahJ Says:
   May 3rd, 2008 at 3:58 pm

   Yes, anatomically we are all born straight (except for a very few weird cases). Psychologically, though, strange things occasionally happen. Thankfully, the closest scientists can come to a “*** gene” (a harmful mutation ) is less than 10%.

2. Cao Says:
   May 3rd, 2008 at 5:04 pm

   I’m not sure what you’re saying there, Hannah.

   Is There a “*** Gene”? The answer is “no”. Go to the link and read through the article:

   Is homosexuality really an inborn and normal variant of human nature?

   No. There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is simply “genetic.” And none of the research claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in sound bites to the public.

   Time and time again, scientists have claimed that particular genes or chromosomal regions are associated with behavioral traits, only to withdraw their findings when they were not replicated. “Unfortunately,” says Yale’s [Dr. Joel] Gelernter, “it’s hard to come up with many” findings linking specific genes to complex human behaviors that have been replicated. “…All were announced with great fanfare; all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute.”

   References:

   Mann, C. Genes and behavior. Science 264:1687 (1994).

   The article was adapted from two sources: a paper entitled, “The *** Gene?” by Jeffrey Satinover, M.D., in The Journal of Human Sexuality, 1996, available by calling (972) 713-7130; and past issues of the National Association of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) Bulletin. For an in-depth discussion of homosexuality and genetics, consult Dr. Satinover’s 1996 book, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, published by Hamewith/Baker Books.

   The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science

   “We knew that genes were only part of the answer. We assumed the environment also played a role in sexual orientation, as it does in most, if not all behaviors…”(Hamer and Copeland, 1994, p. 82).

   “Homosexuality is not purely genetic…environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people ***…I don’t think we will ever predict who will be ***” (Mitchell, 1995).

3. Cao Says:
   May 3rd, 2008 at 5:15 pm

   “This is the Way God Made Me”
   A Scientific Examination of Homosexuality
   and the “*** Gene” by Brad Harrub, Ph.D. and Bert Thompson, Ph.D. and Dave Miller, Ph.D. © 2003 Apologetics Press, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Reproduced by Permission from Apologetics Press, Inc.

   31 homosexual and pro-homosexual groups admitted the following:

   The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female population identify themselves as ***, *******, or bisexual (Laumann, et al., 1994).

   The study also found that only 0.9% of men and 0.4% of women reported having only same-sex partners since age 18—a figure that would represent a total of only 1.4 million Americans as homosexual (based on the last census report, showing roughly 292 million people living in America). The resulting accurate figures demonstrate that significantly less than one percent of the American population claims to be homosexual. The NHSLS results are similar to a survey conducted by the Minnesota Adolescent Health Survey (1986) of public school students. The survey showed that only 0.6% of the boys and 0.2% of the girls identified themselves as “mostly or 100% homosexual.”

   The 2000 census sheds even more light on the subject. The overall statistics from the 2000 Census Bureau revealed:

   * The total population of the U.S. is 285,230,516.
   * The total number of households in the U.S. is 106,741,426.
   * The total number of unmarried same-sex households is 601,209.

   Thus, out of a population of 106,741,426 households, homosexuals represent 0.42% of those households. That is less than one half of one percent!

   That is not even near the 10% number that they like to spread around….

4. Cao Says:
   May 3rd, 2008 at 5:26 pm

   Although you refrain from engaging in discussions about politics, the science you’re studying is riddled with politics.

   You should be aware that the statistics they’re feeding you are incorrect.
   
   The Ex-*** Gene?

   In the book, “The Homosexual Agenda, “Exposing the Principal Threat to Religious Freedom Today,” Co-authored by Alan Sears and Craig Osten, many shocking and disturbing incidences of homosexual indoctrination are documented. The author’s describe an incident that happened to a young boy named Kyle in his high school biology class.

   “One day during his biology class, Kyle’s teacher stated that homosexual behavior was genetic. Kyle immediately raised his hand to disagree. The teacher, a self-professed bisexual who had testified in support of civil unions in Vermont, immediately ridiculed and humiliated him in front of the entire high school’s class. ‘What’s the matter, Kyle?’ she said mockingly. ‘Are you unsure of your sexuality? Did you know that the people who scream the loudest turn out to be *** themselves?’

   A few weeks later, in the middle of a discussion on genealogy, the teacher again digressed into the subject of homosexual behavior. Kyle asked again what homosexuality had to do with the subject. The teacher again questioned his sexuality and implied that he might be covering up the fact that he was homosexual. Kyle stood up and denied the accusation, stating he had a girlfriend. The class snickered at him.

   One classmate went as far to suggest that the girlfriend was a cover-up and that Kyle was a closet homosexual. Devastated and humiliated, Kyle’s grades dropped from a 3.70 GPA to 2.10 in the months following the incident.”

   As Kyle was being taught that homosexuality is genetic, we are fed a steady diet of sensationalized studies which assert that homosexuality is an immutable characteristic. Natalie Angier wrote in the New York Times on September 1, 1991, “Proof of an inborn difference between *** and heterosexual men could provide further ammunition in the battle over discrimination. If homosexuality were viewed legally as a biological phenomenon, rather than a fuzzier matter of “choice” or “preference,” then *** people could no more rightfully be kept out of the military, a housing complex or a teaching job than could, say blacks.”

   The quest for the “*** gene” is undoubtedly a key component in the *** rights activists’ quest for *** marriage, adoption, and “hate crimes” legislation which limits free speech of Christians and other faiths which view homosexuality as sin. Robert Knight of the Culture and Family Institute wrote an excellent piece summarizing the debate over the “***” gene called “Born or Bred? Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic” Knight sums up the debate well with a paraphrase from a researcher, Dr. Satinover: “Some people may be predisposed because of genetic, prenatal hormonal influences or other physical or brain differences to have personalities that make them vulnerable to the environmental factors that can elicit homosexual desires. So is homosexuality biological? Not in the way that popular media and homosexual activists have presented it.”

   With all this talk about a “*** gene,” This brings me to my assertion at the beginning in the title of my piece. If the idea is put forth that homosexuality is genetic, that there is indeed a “*** gene,” which has clearly been debunked, then by the same logic there would have to be an ex-*** gene. What else would account for the thousands and thousands of people who have found freedom from homosexuality?

5. Jesse Says:
   May 4th, 2008 at 11:05 am

   The key thing here, is regardless of whether it’s genetic or merely a product of childhood experience and our environment, is that it’s not purely a “free will” choice.

   And while it’s not fair to look to homosexual groups for scientific evidence that it is genetic, it’s also not fair to look to rightist groups that have a vested interest in proving it otherwise, either.

   Most *** people report having such feelings from a very young age. None will tell you that they “chose” to be ***, or could choose not to be. Science is imperfect - the fact that they don’t have conclusive evidence to support a “*** gene” right now doesn’t mean that they won’t or that there isn’t one - it’s just the nature of science in that they really don’t have any answers. I doubt you’d find a scientist who would say that there isn’t the possibility of one - just that there’s no evidence of one as is.

   I’m highly skeptical of people who aren’t *** making arguments about what being *** is like or what *** people feel, as frankly, they have no idea. And haven’t there always been *** people, no matter what century or generation you look at?

   About the 10% figure - surely you don’t assume that all *** people live together in households? As *** people cannot legally marry in most places, they’re probably less inclined to do so. A “household” study as opposed to a random sample is a biased study from the get go, that’s bound to come up with a low number of homosexuals.

   I don’t buy into the 10% figure either, since it’s a made up number meant to include closeted ****. Perhaps 3-5% is more accurate. But I’m just making up numbers too.

6. Cao Says:
   May 4th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

   If it’s not genetic, then what makes it NOT a matter of a free will ‘choice’? Love cannot exist without the freedom to choose. Not only are we free to turn away from God, we are free to stay away. That is why hell has been called the greatest monument to human freedom and dignity.

   You’re not making any sense there; you’re engaging in moral relevatism which says there is no ‘absolute truth’. If what’s okay for me might not be okay for you, then what if I were to tell you I want to kill all the women in my neighborhood? I would get arrested. Why would I get arrested? Because it’s against the law. And what were our laws based on? The Mosaic law: the ten commandments. There is such a thing as absolute truth, just as there is such a thing as right and wrong. To categorize my saying that homosexuality is a deviation from the norm is not a right or left argument; it’s the truth, considering the incredibly small number of people who define themselves as homosexuals, despite the indoctrination programs in our schools that are promoting it.

   Free will is simply freedom of moral and rational responsibility. All morally responsible actions are choices or the byproducts of choices, just as morally irresponsible actions are choices or byproducts of choices. So it follows that choice and free will can be used interchangeably in this sense. Choice is simply the exertion of one’s will. If you cannot will to do something, you cannot choose it. You are merely a mechanism in the apparatus of another. Thus, in order for anyone to be culpable of sin, they must have to choose to sin. If they can choose to sin, they have free will.

   Is heterosexuality a choice or are we hard wired that way? If we are hard wired that way, then isn’t homosexuality a choice, because it’s a deviation from the norm? It seems to me that despite all the devastating consequences of homosexuality, people still choose it. If it’s not a matter of free will, is it a compulsion? Are they compelled to do it? Are murdering homosexuals, cannibal homosexuals or homosexual pedophiles compelled to do it and not responsible for that behavior, too? And where do you draw the line?

   What vested interest do I have-or does any ‘rightist’ organization have - in proving homosexuality is not normal? I think the proof is in history, although they’re trying to revise that, too. The relationship between men and women in the holy covenant of a marriage - because they naturally fit together like two halves of a heart, in every way, is time tested and time proven. There is no mythology here about heterosexuality being normal, or the fact that societies have caved after they’ve gone the route of accepting deviant behaviors.

   I think it’s not fair to look only to socialist groups with whom the LGBT people march for a ‘fair and balanced’ perspective.

   I love your gmail address…”deathforce”…are you trying to tell me something, LOL???

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