6/12/2008
Kenyan-Born Obama?
Maybe I am mis-reading what this really means.?
Obama turns the page of America’s history with 2008 nomination
By CHIDO NWANGWU. Special to USAfrica The Newspaper, Houston, USAfricaonline.com and CLASS magazine and The Black Business Journal
I didn’t make this photoshop…it came to me through email from USAfricaonline.com
I knew there were reasons why he wouldn’t “release” his birth certificate, although…isn’t a birth certificate public information?
Aren’t you supposed to be American-born to qualify for presidential office in the US?
Obama’s Certification of Live Birth Found and Posted at Daily Kos
Daily Kos has obtained a copy of Obama’s “certification of live birth.”All of the information is what we have been told before - name, birth date, etc.. His mother’s race is listed as “Caucasian,” his father as “African.” No middle name of Muhammad, no first name of “Barry,” no last name of “Dunham.” He’s listed as “Barack Hussein Obama II,” not “Jr.”
(Interestingly, in the lower right hand corner is the backwards reflection of a stamp, “June 6 or G, 2007″. Did someone request or process this record about a year ago?)
Site creator Markos Moulitsas mentions in the comments the campaign released it to him.
(Also, for astrologers, the time of birth was 7:24 p.m.)
Next time you get one of those e-mails suggesting Obama has a different “real name,” send people to this post or that document.
UPDATE: I’m getting some, “Jim, this looks modern,” e-mail messages. As Ed notes,
When someone requests a validated copy of their birth certificate, they don’t get a photocopy of the original. They get a fresh certificate with a seal showing that it came from the official registrar, in most states. They keep the info in a computer and produced validated copies on request.
This is a validated copy of the birth certificate, with which Obama could get a passport, register to vote, etc etc. It’s perfectly acceptable.
Obama himself probably has a dog-eared yellowing copy in a desk drawer somewhere; this document is what he or someone authorized by him was given by the state out of its records. Barring some vast conspiracy within the Hawaii State Department of Health, there is no reason to think his birth certificate would have any different data.
There isn’t?
Malkin’s post on this from two days ago:
Jim Geraghty takes a look at longstanding blog buzz over Barack Obama’s birth certificate, which the campaign refused to release to the St. Petersburg Times in April:
We tried to obtain a copy of Obama’s birth certificate, but his campaign would not release it and the state of Hawaii does not make such records public.
And let’s not forget that McCain had a controversy swirling around him since he was born in Panema…leading the Senate to declare him a natural born citizen in April.
Any time the Daily KOS is doing damage control, you have to know there is more to the story…I still think it’s very suspicious, considering Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was considered African Arab…
From comments:
Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates:
“…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.”
Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.
*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama’s aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Gov. Of California would be very interested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it would set precedence. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days…
tsk tsk as some people have mentioned previously, it appears as though the Obamessiah wasn’t properly vetted…
Very interesting page at the Assyrian News Agency - which is now missing.
Update August 21: Papers have been filed in Philadelphia questioning Obama’s eligibility to be POTUS
Update: Berg has been struck down by the courts saying he doesn’t have standing to challenge this. Meanwhile, other information has been released through court documents.
Update (this punctuates the point): Obama’s grandmother says he was born in Kenya - and it comes out that Odinga and Obama both have pretended to be Christians while hiding the fact that their Luo tribe is muslim.
Excerpt from Reverend Shuhubia’s affadavit:
I, Kweli Shuhubia am over the age of eighteen (18) and not a praty to the within action. If called to do so, I could and would competently testify under oath as follows:
I am an ordained minister of gospel of Jesus Christ and a native evangelist and translator for the Anabaptist church in Kenya. I am the official Swahili translator for the annual Anabaptists Conference held each year in Africa, working with the American bishops sitting upon the Continental Presbytery of the Anabaptists Churches of Africa. I am fluent in Swahili and in English. I am a former teacher in Kenya, and travel extensively in the ministries of the Anabaptists Churches of Africa throughout Kenya, Uganda and the Sudan.
It is common knowledge throughout the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., the United States Presidential candidate, was born in Mombosa Kenya. Senator Obama’s grandmother still resides in the village of Alego-Kogello, approximately 37 miles from Kisumu City. On October 16, 2008 I went to interview Ms. Sarah Obama at her home. Ms. Obama’s home was flooded with people who were celebrating Senator Obama’s success story. Ms. Obama’s home was heavily guarded by Kenya Police. Prior to the interview with Ms. Obama, I took pictures of Ms. Obama, her grandson who was present and other family members.
(snip)
Bishop McRae asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson Barack Obama was born in Kenya” This was asked to her in translation twice, and both times she specifically replied “Yes”. It appeared Ms. Obama’s relatives and her grandson, handling the translating, had obviously been versed to counter such facts with purported information from American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii. Despite this, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States. When Mrs. Obama’s grandson attempted to counter his grandmother’s clear responses to the question, verifying the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, Bishop McRae asked her grandson how she could be present at Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but the grandson would not answer the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that “No, No, No he was born in the United States!” But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed her reply that she was indeed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya. A copy of the Tape transcript is attached hereto as Exhibit “A”.
I left Kisumu City and traveled to Mombosa, Kenya. I interviewed personnel at the hospital to which Senator Obama was born in Kenya. I then had meetings with the Provincial Civil Registrar. I learned there were records of Ann Dunham giving birth to Barrack Hussein Obama, III in Mombosa, Kenya on August 4, 1961. I spoke directly with an Official, the Principal Registrar, who openly confirmed the birthing records of Senator Barack H. Obama, JR. and his mother were present, however, the file on Barach H. Obama, Jr. was classified and profiled. The Official explained Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. birth in Kenya is top secret. I was further instructed to go to the Attorney General’s Office and to the Minister in Charge to immigration if I wanted further information.
Bishop McRae’s affadavit (excerpt):
I, Bishop Ron McRae am over the age of eighteen (18) and not a party to the within action. If called to do so, I could and would competently testify under oath as follows:
I am the Continental Bishop who oversees the Anabaptists Churches in North America. I am also the Presiding Elder on the African Presbytery, where we have numerous churches throughout Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, the Democratic Republic of the Congo and mission works to several other African nations. The African Presbytery is comprised of the national bishops of the various countries we minister in and support, along with our statewide bishops from New York and Pennsylvania.
We actively visit and minister throughout these African countries, and do so extensively throughout all of Kenya these last three (3) years. in overseeing the establishment of our churches and presbytery to Kenya over the last two (2) years we have had personal dealings, continually, with many citizens of Kenya from every tribe and economic standing throughout the wonderful nation of Kenya, with whom the national interests in United States Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a very popular topic of discussion. The tribal cultures of the Kenyanese people have involved much turmoil during the national elections at the end of December 2007 and the beginning of 2008.
The much published violence that erupted over the presidential elections caught the world’s attention. Myself and several American minister with our church were present during this time in Kenya, and the facts concerning this strife and the ensuing violence were well known, and of common knowledge throughout all of Kenya.
The opposition party that was responsible for all of the violence was from the minority Luo tribe, which is a Muslim tribe that supported Mr. Raila Odinga for president. Raila Odinga is a Marxist socialist who graduated from the East Germany Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship from the East German government. He named his first born son after Fidel Castro. Raila Odinga spent six years in prison for his admitted involvement in the bloody coup attempt in 1982 to over take and assissinate Daniel Arap Moi, Kenya’s President. Mr. Odinga has publicly admitted to being the leader of that coup in his 2006.
Mr. Odinga is the cousin of United States Senator Barack Obama. Mr. Obama is from the same Muslim tribe, the Luo Tribe, as Mr. Odinga. Senator Obama visited Kenya in August of 2006 and campaigned extensively for his cousin, Mr. Odinga, which gave Odinga a tremendous boost. During Senator Obama’s campaign stops on behalf of his cousin Odinga, the Senator made numerous claims against the democratic government of Kenya and Kenya’s President Mwai Kibaki, claiming they were corrupt, stating often, that Kenya was “ready for change”, just as he has campaigned here in the United States during the Presidential election. It has been common knowledge throughout Kenya that Senator Obama sent his foreign policy advisor, Mr. Mark Lippert, to Kenya at least three times to advise Mr.Odinga on his campaign strategies. See Mark Hyman’s Washington Times article published October, 12, 2008, attached as Exhibit “I”. Moreover, everyone in Kenya is well aware that Senator Obama donated over one million American dollars ($1,000,000) to his cousin’s, Mr. Odinga’s campaign, which is documented in the Kenyan Political Party, for Mr. Odinga. Orange Democratic Movement (hereinafter “ODM”) along with extensive funds from other Muslim supporters including but not limited to the Muslim son of Muammar Gadhafi, the dictator of Libyan’s Muslim government. These issues are common knowledge throughout Kenya, and the information is publicly document across the internet.
It is detailed in Odinga’s financial reports and strategies ODM Internal Memo documents, attached as Exhibit “2″, which are public records, that a significant portion of Senator Obama’s financial contributions (made through an organization identified as Friends of Senator Barack Obama) were used to help finance both the signed Muslim Memorandum of Understanding as well as the planned violence, murders and bloodshed that occurred in December of 2007. Within the ODM Internal Memo attached as Exhibit “2″, the funds donated by Mr. Obama through “Friends of Senator Barack Obama” were to be used for “Violence as a last result…to discourage voter participation in hostile areas..use ODM agents on the ground to engineer ethnic tensions in target areas…support Kapondi’s forces in Mt. Eglori”, and to do as during “Mid-December”. Unfortunately, the exact violence described in these reports was carried out and occurred at the beginning of the second week of December 2007.
Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States.
ThinkingMeat linked with Credulous Cao swallows another asinine smear whole...
June 12th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Credulous Cao swallows another asinine smear whole…
Lizard ***** Cao never met a smear she wouldn’t repeat:
Kenyan-Born Obama?…I knew there were reasons why he wouldn’t “release” his birth certificate, although…isn’t a birth certificate public information?Aren’t you supposed to…
June 12th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Cao, are you still participating in the “Mocking Meatbrain” gig? (I came onto the blogosphere about a year too late for that.)
June 12th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
I don’t see me in comments at Kat’s, although - I think we formed a group that you are a part of…aren’t you?
Yes, I’ve been over there already regarding this. If he can disprove what the rules were for someone to be a natural born citizen at the time of Obama’s birth, then he might have a point…but until then…I think he’s the one that’s marching in line with the Kossacks’ propaganda.
June 12th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Yes (winks). Just keep my identity secret.
June 12th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
You bet!
June 13th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. Hawaii was granted statehood in 1959.
“…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.”
That rule only applies to births OUTSIDE of the United States.
http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-naturalization/immigration-citizenship-naturalization-did-you-know(1).html
Here’s the Law applying to births inside the United States.
Birth in the United States
A child born on American soil automatically gets U.S. citizenship, unless the child is born to a foreign government official who is in the United States as a recognized diplomat. Children born in certain U.S. territories — Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam — may also acquire U.S. citizenship. For details, see Title 8 of the U.S. Code, available at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/. Anyone born with U.S. citizenship retains it for life unless he or she deliberately gives it up — for example, by filing an oath of renunciation.
http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-naturalization/immigration-citizenship-naturalization-did-you-know.html
June 13th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
I know when he was born, I’ve been reading quite a bit about this.
Check what the rules are for a presidential candidate who doesn’t have two American Citizen parents.
June 14th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Reading about what and reading it where? It seems pretty clear to me:
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States. According to the U.S. Constitution.
Pop quiz:
Q. Who may not have been a natural born U.S. citizen in his bid for the presidency?
A. Barry Goldwater
June 14th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
The rules that were in effect in the year he was born are the rules that apply to him, my dear.
He doesn’t qualify.
From Immigration Law website I have the following:
part 1:
December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986
If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it.
Part 2:
If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship.
Part 3:
If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules apply if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time. If legitimation occurred after November 14, 1986, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated in writing that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday.
Obama was born within that time frame, therefore it applies to him, and his mother at that time! Since it specifically states “at the time of your birth”, he is under that provision! Therefore, what I’m saying is TRUE.
HE IS NOT LEGALLY A CITIZEN.
He never applied for, or his mother never applied for him to become a US citizen.
Time to contact the Attorney General…although I’m sure the Kossacks will find a way around this one, too.
Immigration Law Website States:
June 14th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
That Immigration Law website that you conveinently didn’t cite trumps the U.S. Constitution? Please provide a case number or some sort of reference to the law you are speaking of. There is a law similar to the one you describe, but it only applies to people born outside the U.S. Obama was born in Hawaii.
Contact the Attorney General all you want. It won’t change anything.
June 14th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Funny how Cao won’t provide a link to this mysterious “Immigration Law website”.
Wonder why that is?
The video claims that…
“Barack Obama is not a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the boaoks at the time of his birth.”
Which law was that, lizard *****? Kindly provide an exact citation of the relevant law.
June 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Find it yourself, dipshit.
You have a brain, despite the evidence that tells me you don’t.
Funny thing is, you’re so completely dependent on Smirking Chimp and the rest of those leftist websites that tell you what to think…you can’t even seem to be able to figure out how to do a google search to come up with the results…
And you want me to do it for you.
Sorry, the information is public information, it’s law, you’re so dumb and lazy - you can’t squeeze two thoughts together let alone do a google search. There are a lot of websites that bring up that information.
Pick one.
And while you’re at it, smartass, take a careful look at the Website of the Department of Immigration of Kenya and think quite hard.
Then read the British Nationality Act 1948, and then plow through the Case Law surrounding Section 1 of Article II of the United States Constitution and the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution (Ratified July 9th 1868).
In other words note that the Government of Kenya states that he does have Kenyan Citizenship under the Independence Constitution of Kenya. Obama legally became a Kenyan Citizen on December 12, 1963 (ie at Independence). See: Descent (Sections 87(2) & 90 of The Constitution of Kenya), Registration (Sections 91 & 92(1) of The Constitution of Kenya). Source: Department of Immigration of Kenya.
June 14th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
What pisses me off even more is that Osama wouldn’t even have a chance to be president if it weren’t for affirmative action. That boy needs to learn his place.
June 14th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
See also The Immigration Ordinance of 1st August 1948.
The Immigration Ordinances Revised 1962 and 1964 and The Immigration Act 1964.
He has never explicitly renounced his Kenyan Citizenship and is therefore a Dual Citizen and almost certainly ineligible for the Presidency of the USA.
Also Under the British Nationality Act 1948 Barack Hussein Obama, Jr, was born a British Subject, since his father held a British Passport and was a Subject of the British Crown. His place of Birth and the Nationality of his mother would be irrelevant since, at that time, British Nationality was transmitted via the father.
There is a lot more…but since meathead can’t add two and two together without being told what the answer is, there will be a wait until he can find someone to tell him what to say now.
June 14th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
hooligan…er..uh..”Randy”…it would be straight forward if he had just lived in the US with two American-born US citizen parents.
He didn’t have two American-born US citizen parents, his mother didn’t meet the criteria to make him natural-born, and there are other restrictions as I’ve spelled out here, which are outside of US jurisdiction….and are again spelled out in the constitution that you flippantly quoted from…but didn’t take all of the factors into account.
Not to mention the fact that Barack Obama Senior never divorced his first wife. He was a muslim polygamist, remember? That’s another factor which could throw a monkey wrench into sorting this out. Was Barack Hussein Obama Senior ever legally married to Ann Dunham? I know her parents would like to think so…
There are divorce papers on record, but I don’t believe there are marriage documents.
Obama co-Sponsored (notice the word, meatbrain - co-sponsored - doesn’t mean he wrote it)- of Senator McCaskill’s “Natural Born Citizen Bill”, of February 28th 2008, supposedly designed to settle the issue of Senator John McCain’s status, suggests very strongly that Obama is aware that his own status is doubtful….he IS a constitutional lawyer, after all….
Citizenship by Birth and Natural Born Citizenship are not identical. There are issues that arose from Senator Obama’s mother’s acquisition of Indonesian Nationality by Marriage. If she did become an Indonesian Citizen, a point on which no source seems clear, she not only lost her US Citizenship, but her son’s and subsequent children’s entitlement to Citizenship.
Consider also that according to The Center for Immigration Studies, neither Kenya nor Indonesia allow Dual Citizenship. If that is the case, the Senator can’t have Dual Nationality and is either Kenyan or Indonesian.
June 14th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Please read the laws. Barack Obama was born on U.S. soil to two parents that were in the U.S. legally. That makes Barack Obama a natural born U.S. citizen. That is the qualification you are arguing. Though the title of your article would suggest you think he was born in Kenya. According to the laws of the United States of America Barack Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen, not naturalized. NATURAL BORN. He does have the option of applying for citizenship in Kenya, but he never has.
Now, I provided links to the laws I am reading. U.S. Laws. If you know of some law IN THE U.S. that is contrary to the ones I , and Ultra linked to, I am sorry, you are going to have to hold my hand and show it to me. I can’t seem to find it anywhere.
June 14th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
GOP Patriot. What is his ‘place’ exactly?
June 14th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
It’s not exactly that straight forward, Randy, sorry to say….but you just stay in that little dreamworld and the rest of us grownups will sort through it. If it’s not apparent that I’ve been reading through the law, I think it’s you that needs to be examining the case law on what citizenship entails…his mother was only 18, his father was not a citizen.
Ann Dunham was a Minor under US Law as it stood at the time and was therefore incapable of transmitting her citizenship to Barack Obama.
Dunham then up and married Soetero and left the country. Senator Obama’s mother then automatically acquired Indonesian Nationality by Marriage to Soetero. If she did become an Indonesian Citizen, she not only lost her US Citizenship, but her son’s and subsequent children’s entitlement to it.
June 14th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Sure, good luck with that.
June 14th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Cao does not know what law it is referencing. It is merely parroting what it has read elsewhere. It expects someone else to find its supporting facts for it.
Because the lizard bìtch has chosen to remain ignorant, it also does not know that the same mystery website it is so confidently quoting as an authority also states:
“A child born on American soil automatically gets U.S. citizenship, unless the child is born to a foreign government official who is in the United States as a recognized diplomat.”
Obama clearly holds US citizenship as a result of this provision of US law.
The lizard bìtch relies on smears like this for one reason: it is simply too stupid to conduct a discussion of the actual issues facing this nation in this election year.
June 14th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Stupid idiot! Meatbrain, you are really dense. Just because you don’t understand what I’m talking about doesn’t mean I don’t understand what I’m talking about…JEEZ you are really good at transferring your idiocy onto others while trying to maintain that elitist arrogance leftists are so famous for. You’re really not as smart as you pretend to be, and that’s why you’re having trouble following this, isn’t it?
Kenyan Law and Indonesian Law applies in this case, in addition to…The Master Nationality Rule under Article 4 of The Hague Convention on Certain Questions Relating to the Conflict of Nationality Laws of 1930.
According to most sources under the Law as it applied between December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986:
Under that Law Senator Obama would not be a “Natural Born Citizen”, but only a “Citizen by Birth”.
Sources: VISALAW.com and immigration.findlaw.com
I am quoting numerous laws that affect the outcome of this - this is not a linear situation…and it’s up to you to unravel it since you’re so damned smart, YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
The Constitution is not the only document that comes into play here - and is not the only law that applies.
Unfortunately for Obama, his mother was a minor at the time…and then she ran off to Indonesia where she gained Indonesian citizenship through marriage.
Documents do, apparently, exist showing that between the ages of five and ten he was listed as being a Citizen of Indonesia. A Birth Certificate is said to be On File for him in Mombasa, Kenya. This would not prove that he was born in Kenya but it would prove that he was Registered as being (A) a Legitimate, or Adopted, Son of Barack Hussein Obama, Snr, and (B) First a British Subject and then a Kenyan Citizen and National. There is evidence that in Strict Law his Name is not Barack Hussein Obama but Barack Hussein Soetoro. This would be no problem under Scots Law, in which your Name is what you say it is and in which married ladies keep their own Names unless they specifically undertake a legal act to change it. Under English Law, or the Laws of most US States, however it could cause huge theoretical problems, invalidating Licenses, University Degrees, Credit Cards, Mortgages, etc, etc. and leading to Suspicion of Fraud.
Many people think that if you are born on American Soil you must be an American Citizen, and in theory that is true. However, if one of your parents is not an American Citizen, usually your father, and if that parent Registers you as a National of their country and if that country does not recognize the concept of Dual Citizenship/Nationality you are not an American unless you become Naturalized. The Nationality of your American Parent and your place of Birth are not relevant, the Law of the other Country takes precedence under The Master Nationality Rule of Article 4 of the Hague Convention of 1930.
If Kenya does not recognize Dual Nationality, Senator Obama is a Kenyan and has been since he was two years old. Prior to that he would have been a British Subject. If his mother gave up her US Citizenship, and if he was Adopted by her Second Husband, and if Indonesia does not Recognize the Concept of Dual Nationality, Senator Obama is an Indonesian. In neither case does his Place of Birth or his mother’s Nationality have any legal Consequence whatsoever because the USA accepts the existence of Dual Nationality only if the other country does. Hague Conventions are applied by the USA and this has been US Law since before 1930 (see:”Memorandum on Nationality, including Statelessness: Document A/CN.4/67″, Prepared by Ivan S Kerno, International Law Commission, United Nations General Assembly, 6th April 1953.)
Under the Bus
June 14th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Pop quiz answer: Under the Law as it stood in 1964 Barry Goldwater was a “Natural Born Citizen”
June 15th, 2008 at 12:25 am
Obama’s place is certainly not as a US Senator. W/o affirmative action Osama would probably just be a gang member. Larry Sinclair already proved he was into hard drugs…
June 15th, 2008 at 6:25 am
“I am quoting numerous laws…”
The lizard bítch is lying. It has quoted no laws. It is merely quoting websites — and it is doing so very selectively. It chooses to utterly ignore facts that contradict its preconstructed fantasy world.
It cites visalaw.com. That site states:
“What are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?
Again, children born abroad to two US citizen parents were US citizens at birth, as long as one of the parents resided in the US at some point before the birth of the child.
When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14.”
http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html
Note that the site clearly states that the rules under discussion apply to “children born abroad”. The law therefore does not apply to Obama, who was not born abroad. The dishonest lizard bítch chose to ignore this inconvenient fact.
The same page also states clearly:
“All persons born in the United States are citizens of the United States (with the very minor exception of certain children of diplomatic personnel).”
Obama clearly holds US citizenship as a result of this provision of US law. The dishonest lizard bítch chose to ignore this inconvenient fact.
The dishonest lizard bítch cites findlaw.com. That site states:
“A child born on American soil automatically gets U.S. citizenship, unless the child is born to a foreign government official who is in the United States as a recognized diplomat.”
http://tinyurl.com/58q85x
Obama clearly holds US citizenship as a result of this provision of US law. The dishonest lizard bítch chose to ignore this inconvenient fact.
It is the following page of findlaw.com that the dishonest lizard bìtch has been quoting endlessly. That page deals solely with the rules that apply to children born abroad:
“The laws governing whether or not a child born outside of the United States acquires U.S. citizenship from his or her parents have changed several times.”
http://tinyurl.com/2z899t
The rules explained on that page do not apply to Obama, as he was not born abroad. The dishonest lizard bítch chose to ignore this inconvenient fact.
The dishonest lizard bítch is unable to cite the actual US law in question, and in fact has made no attempt to locate that law. Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, section 1401 of the US Code deals with “Nationals and citizens of United States at birth”. That law states:
“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html
Obama clearly holds US citizenship as a result of this provision of US law. The dishonest lizard bítch chose to ignore this inconvenient fact.
The section of the law that the wingnuts claim disqualifies Obama is subsection (g):
“(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years…”
Note that this subsection explicitly applies to persons born outside the geographical limits of the United States — which Obama was not. The dishonest lizard bítch chose to ignore this inconvenient fact.
It is to be expected that the dishonest lizard bítch and its kind will ignore these facts and continue to lie about the law. Such behavior is unremarkable, as they are incapable of participating in a discussion without relying on falsehoods and distortions.
June 15th, 2008 at 8:27 am
None of that matters, you idiot. Thanks for calling me ‘lizard *****’ because lizards go after snakes in the grass like you!
A birth certificate is on file for Obama in Mombasa.
It doesn’t prove he was born in Kenya, it proves his father intended him to be a Kenyan National…his father intended for him to be shown as a legitimate or adopted son.
But first, he was a British Subject and then became a Kenyan National in 1963 - when he was two years old. He became a Kenyan National on December 12, 1963.
Look it up.
HIs mother received Indonesian Nationality through her second marriage. If she became an Indonesian citizen, she not only lost her US Citizenship, but her son’s entitlement to US Citizenship.
If your parent who is not a US Citizen registers you as a National of their country, and if that country does not recognize Dual Citizenship, you are not an American unless you become Naturalized.
The law of the other country takes precedence since the United States does not recognize Dual Citizenship unless the other country does.
That’s under the Master Nationality Rule of Article 4 of the Hague Convention of 1930.
Neither Kenya nor Indonesia recognize Dual Citizenship, so it would appear he is either Indonesian or a Kenyan National.
It doesn’t matter where he was born or the nationality of his mother, since British Citizenship is passed down through the father, according to the law on the books at the time…that’s what applies…the laws that were on record at the time…
But thanks for running on the wild goose chase…!!!
You are as dumb as a rock and you keep proving it over and over again.
In neither case does Obama’s mother’s nationality have any legal consequence…and I’m going to put up another video to this effect.
June 15th, 2008 at 8:44 am
“A birth certificate is on file for Obama in Mombasa.”
Obama was born in the United States. The law specifies that he is a US citizen.
“Look it up.”
I have done that. Obama was born in the United States. The law specifies that he is a US citizen.
This is the usual refrain of the lizard bítch when it does not have the facts to back up its spew.
“The law of the other country takes precedence since the United States does not recognize Dual Citizenship unless the other country does.”
Fact-free assertion, and therefore worthless. The lizard bítch cites no US law under which Obama would lose his natural born citizenship. In fact, there is no such mechanism, except for deliberate renunciation of citizenship.
“In neither case does Obama’s mother’s nationality have any legal consequence…”
Correct. Obama’s US citizenship derives from his place of birth. US law states that
“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;”
Obama is a US citizen under this provision.
It is to be expected that the lizard bítch will continue to lie. This is what it does. This is its only talent.
June 15th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Obama’s being born in the US (jus soli) doesn’t matter, as I’ve said before. I’m certain that questions of Obama’s legitimacy came up - because BHO Senior never divorced his first wife, and Ann was three months pregnant when they got “married”. Interestingly enough, Obama himself has written that he hasn’t seen any marriage certificate…and I’m certain that Obama Senior wanted to make sure Barack Jr. showed up as at least his adopted son, if not his own legitimate son - which is probably one of the reasons why his birth certificate is registered in Mombasa.
You’re not really reading my responses and you’re all ginned up over this, aren’t you? LOL…
There are two things at issue here - and that is - Obama could theoretically be either a Kenyan National - by virtue of the law in 1961 and then in 1963 when it changed and he became a Kenyan National automatically through his father. The other issue is what happened when his mother got Indonesian citizenship when she married Soetoro. As has been pointed out previously, she might well have become and Indonesian and then his rights to US Citizenship would have evaporated.
Even if Obama was naturalized that wouldn’t make him a natural-born citizen, and that’s the requirement…even though leftists like you have no respect for our founding documents or the law, and want to change our nation into a communist or socialist utopia…I see Obama as the same, and the people who are pouring money into his campaign as the same types…who have that ‘progressive vision’ for a constitution that doesn’t anywhere near resemble what it did originally.
Still, the natural-born citizen requirement still exists on the books for the presidential candidates, and Obama is going to have to come up with some kind of explanation for all of this.
Not that we expect him to be honest…he’s already proven he doesn’t know how to do that…which is one of the reasons why he’s so objectionable.
Your simplistic linear thinking is getting you into a little bit of trouble, here. I’ve provided my resources already, and you’re not looking at them…so I’m not sure what to do from this point forward…you should calm down and look back at what I wrote there. Do you take medication for this hysteria you wrap ourself up in? You must have missed those meds today.
Your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking…and to my knowledge there are no medications for that, sadly enough.
“The law of the other country takes precedence” is not a fact-free assumption, as I’ve also stated where that comes from… you can find out more about it at usacitizenship.info, and others. You have google, find it. You might want to start with
the Master Nationality Rule of Article 4 of the Hague Convention of 1930, and the fact that the US does not recognize dual citizenship unless the other country does…and both Indonesia and Kenya do not, according to their respective websites, CBC, Wikipedia and numerous other places that I’ve been to in order to get the big picture on this.
Now, I understand that Indonesia is at least entertaining the idea of allowing people to have dual citizenship, although I don’t think they’ve changed their rules on it yet - at least according to what I’ve read about it.
Indonesia prohibits dual citizenship as does Kenya. Look it up.
You really are embarassing yourself here, but you’re too dumb to notice that, I guess,
there must be something in the water there in Cincinnati.
June 15th, 2008 at 10:01 am
“Obama’s being born in the US (jus soli) doesn’t matter, as I’ve said before.”
False. US law provides that jus soli citizenship is not lost save by deliberate action of the natural-born citizenship. The lizard bítch has not read the law, and will continue to nurture its ignorance.
It is to be expected that the lizard bítch will continue to lie. This is what it does. This is its only talent.
June 15th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Yeah, well if we were isolationists like Ron Paul wants, we would be shutting out the rules for other countries, and wouldn’t recognize dual citizenship - or the fact that someone could be born in the US and be born British Subjects because their father was one (or be born in Britain of US Citizen parents and lay claim to American citizenship)…unfortunately, we DO take them into account, and those rules DO apply, and coutries - where other countries are concerned - usually understand how the rules work elsewhere.
For example this afternoon, I spent some time on Australia’s website - reading about America’s rules for citizenship..and on that website it provided links to US Government websites that provided more information.
Some examples of this are British actress Emma Watson who was born in France to British parents–she has British citizenship; Mel Gibson has dual citizenship - in Ireland and Australia, although he’s America-born; Arnold Schwarzenegger is a dual American-Austrian citizen; Nicole Kidman is a dual citizen by descent; and the list goes on.
Prior to 1983, as a general rule British nationality could only be transmitted from the father through one generation only, and parents were required to be married. (this could be a problem where that theory is involved, considering there is no marriage certificate)
Let’s say Kenya doesn’t allow dual citizenship. And his Kenyan citizenship was passed to Obama through his father. And his birth certificate is on record in Mombasa. This would mean he’s Kenyan - not American - despite where he was born, and despite his mother’s status. America does not recognize dual citizenship unless the other country does, and Kenya doesn’t.
Is that clear enough for you, or do you need someone to draw you a picture?
(And all of this I’m repeating…because meatbrain is as thick as a freakin’ brick and refuses to recognize that any of this should be a concern - because he supports cop killers and law breakers and Obama is just another one in that category, despite his being a constitutional lawyer. I’m certain that Obama is aware of his questionable status, but like Hillary, will blame the controversy on the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. What I find interesting is that he coo-sponsored that bill. He didn’t do it to help out McCain…he did that because he was thinking of his own situation.)
Still, Kenya’s rules apply, and they don’t grant dual citizenship, either.
It should be clearer that he’s either Indonesian or he’s Kenyan…but it’s doubtful that he’s an American Citizen and if he is, he was naturalized at some point - but he is most certainly not ‘natural-born’.
You are sooo devastatingly igorant…maybe you’re not intentionally lying, but your attempts at painting me as one are really quite interesting - considering we’re merely having a difference of opinion (and that makes me a liar? interesting!) and you haven’t proven anything other than you’re pretty upset…take those meds, will you?
Even if I boiled this down to the simplistic story you’re yearning for, I doubt you have the capacity to understand it…
It’s not a simple situation. Pity the fool that has to deal with you when important complicated situations arise…you are not equipped to handle them.
June 18th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Of course, the 14th has been bastardized. It was not written to confer citizenship on people who are born here if their parents were not citizens. The authors of the Amendment specifically stated that children would retain the citizenship of their parents (like we do when we are in another country). It has never been settled in court, just conferred.
I don’t know how it applies to Obama. I only say that if there is a question then he should undergo intense scrutiny just as McCain did. I notice none of the Meatheads and Randys ever came to McCain’s defense.
That paper is not a birth certificate. It is what they issue to indicate that they have a birth certificate on file. A real Certificate of Live Birth has more information like ht wt dr. religion and all kinds of other stuff depending on what state (there are minimums as to what must be there and this does not meet the minimums).
There might or might not be an issue with Hopey’s citizenship status but he could clear a lot of it up by releasing the actual certificate of live birth.
June 18th, 2008 at 9:38 am
BTW, the people who wrote the 14th did not intend for jus soli to apply. The phrase subject to the jurisdiction meant you were a subject of the country (had allegiance as in, were citizens). The thing was written to confer citizenship on freed slaves because they were not citizens. They were considered subject to the jurisdiction because they had allegiance to the country and would be citizens if they had not been considered property.
jus soli is what someone decided that it meant and used a footnote in a court ruling to justify it. Fact is, the people who wrote the Amendment specifically stated what it meant and their words have been ignored. I doubt it would have passed if it meant that jus soli was the rule.
June 26th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Obama’s anti-smear site relies on a phony document
Faked certificate suggests that Obama may not be “natural born” US citizen “
June 26th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Thanks, Cao. Forgive the duplicates but you have a lot of idiots here.
In observing Larry Sinclair– the nemesis of Barack Obama– concerning drug and ***** use in the back of a limo, one can listen to a laid back Sinclair tell his tale like one discusses the latest fashion trends.
For the Obamaniacs, Sinclair sounds like a dufe and a liar which they dismiss in their infatuation over Barack Obama. For those who really listen to Larry Sinclair though, he has allot more going on with him in intelligence and planning than his Minnesota smile reveals.
I sincerely believe that when Larry Sinclair was arrested after his National Press Club appearance that he honestly had calculated this would occur. He knew that the Obamaniacs were going crazy. He knew that Obama had shut him down in spending a fortune. He knew that Obama’s people were ticked at being reigned in the last time Mr. Sinclair waded through the muck of Democratic politics and he knew he had outstanding warrants which would lead to his arrest.
Now ask yourself, if you are Larry Sinclair and there is no legal way you can get your hands on Barack Obama’s phone records which Obama is hiding in connection with murdered Don Young and the vanishing limo driver who brought Sinclair and Obama together, what is one of the easiest ways to gain access to that information than a court order?
What court order could this be? Well, Larry Sinclair knows that 3 Obama operatives are online bragging they got Mr. Sinclair arrested. They phoned the DC police and literally stalked Mr. Sinclair and provided a visual identification that Mr. Sinclair just “happened” to put on his blog before the press club meeting.
Next, instead of the DC police, the Feds swooped in and took custody of Mr. Sinclair……all an apparent violation of the 10th Amendment of the Constitution as Delaware or Colorado were not even bothering with seeking extradition for Mr. Sinclair where his warrants were outstanding.
So this means someone in the Federal government violated protocols as they have no business in getting involved in a state matter for petty matters. The best part of this is for Mr. Sinclair is they then moved him from the District of Columbia, into Maryland which has nothing to do with this case which is supposed to be a Delaware warrant.
Liberals when this is going on with terrorists call it kidnapping. The reader can decide as a judge will if Mr. Sinclair’s attorneys start filing subpoenas in this for the following counts of what is shaping up as a criminal conspiracy of the Obama operatives and Federal officials to stalk and imprison with kidnapping one Lawrence Sinclair.
Questions now are raised in who in the Federal government was monitoring this to send in officers to take into custody Mr. Sinclair who has not broken federal laws.
Delaware and Colorado both knew of Mr. Sinclair and could have cared less about his petty offenses.
Attorneys now can subpoena phone and email records of the federal government.
Attorneys now can subpoena records of the 3 Obamanaics who were stalking Larry Sinclair to see what contact they have with the Obama camp.
When any of the above shows a link as in WhiteHouse at the same press conference Mr. Sinclair was conducting to what Mr. Sinclair states is a Mr. Axelrod working for Barack Obama funded the WhiteHouse lie detector fraud, well that channels directly to Mr. Obama and all of his campaign records in a criminal conspiracy to silence Lawrence Sinclair.
Once that door is open and it is, then Larry Sinclair via the court can obtain Barack Obama’s entire phone records which Mr. Sinclair states will prove his meeting with Barack Obama in a limo and the dealings Mr. Obama had with a dead sodomite choir director in Don Young.
Whether the Obamaniacs know it or not, they are the plumbers in an Obamagate who just landed this entire fiasco back onto Barack Obama with the courts opening up everything he has just like in Watergate.
Payoffs, faked lie detector tests, murdered choir directors and now a literal Federal conspiracy involving what is termed French bloggers and an American blogger to stalk and imprison Mr. Sinclair.
If the Federal zealot who grabbed Mr. Sinclair is found without merit as this was not a federal matter, then there is a fact of kidnapping.
All of that adds up to a horrendous catastrophe and as stated if Mr. Sinclair knew his being dragged into the courts would gain him access as his past maneuvers have shown, then it will be Barack Obama’s own people who bring him down as they have just opened all avenues of defense to Mr. Sinclair and his attorneys to all of these records as one apprehension links all of the parts together.
Now who looks like the bright boy? Yes Larry Sinclair does look quite intelligent now and if his attorneys are one bit the savvy they appear to be, the Obamaniacs walked right into this in one of the best chess moves ever carried out.
Barack Obama in his public directions has stated he had hundreds of operatives doing such work and they have been attacking Mr. Sinclair. The chickens have come home to roost and there is no way Senator Obama is going to cover this up when the courts get involved as if he starts violating court orders that is contempt and if he starts legal maneuvers the voting public will really start focusing on this in what he is really hiding.
Perhaps Larry Sinclair should have been the Democratic nominee as he is so far ahead of the most brilliant operatives in getting them to walk right into this.
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Has anyone thought to inquire as to which documents Mr. Hussein Obama could have used to obtain a U.S. passport? Could we keep him out of the country if he used fake documents? Does the U.S. Department of Justice, the FBI, or the DNC (or all of them) require an application and verifiable proof of citizenship prior to consideration of what may be an illegitimate candidate for public office? Would the information provided then be public once tendered to a government agency?
It’s my understanding that legitimate, non-faked, I.D. is required in order to obtain a passport. Or, did Mr. Obama proceed carefully by first, years ago, obtaining a driver’s license? Any illegal alien can obtain a great looking fake driver license using a great looking fake birth certificate.
This matter should be placed into the very capable hands of qualified government investigators. If, in fact, the online birth certificate is a fake, there are penalties for forgeries and falsifying legal documents with the intent of defrauding the government or public — and even for aiding and abetting.
August 15th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
I doubt that the propagandists will ever have to pay any penalties for the lies they’ve told.
And what we’re seeing is the tip of the iceberg.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:40 am
Update August 21: Papers have been filed in Philadelphia questioning Obama’s eligibility to be POTUS
October 14th, 2008 at 11:12 am
This is so funny, people keep reporting that the dailykos, Obama and everyone else keep saying that the myth is busted about Obama’s Birth Certificate. Well lets bust the their myths right back at them. What has been posted is NOT Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth. Nice trick, what has been posted is a printed information sheet known as the short form, or a Certification of Birth. Here is the problem with a Certification of Birth:
factcheck.org did not really do their fact checking and here is why. They have a photo they are claiming is Obama’s BC, saying that they touched it and felt the seal, etc.. Well first of all it isn’t, its not even a certified copy of a Live Birth, its printed on Laser paper and you can even see that in the lower left hand corner and
we all know laser paper wasn’t available in 1961.
What is it - its a Certification of Birth from the computer system of Hawaii - otherwise known as the short form or for better words, whatever their computer system is showing them. Here is the problem:
That particular form is not even good as a form of ID if you don’t have a passport on a cruiseship or are going to Mexico. The reason is that you can actually request a state to correct your BC with a AFFIDAVIT AND CERTIFICATE OF CORRECTION and they will type all the info in that you fill out on that form, without ever even looking at your Certificate of Live Birth. Thats CORRECT without even looking at your Birth Certificate.
So what you have on record is the amended version, and unless you actually see the Certificate of Live Birth you would never know that there was a difference or even a birth certificate at all. Thats right, even if you didn’t have a Birth Certificate - say you were born in the woods in Canada, you can claim birth in most states simply by filling out an Affidavit. Normally it wouldn’t matter, say unless you were running for President or something. The issuer of the short form, which factcheck.org, dailykos, Obama campaign is displaying, is simply printing out whatever has been typed into the computer from the certificate of correction form.
So in order for there to be a true confirmation of Sen. Obama’s Citizen status, you will need an official copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The problem with that, is that there isn’t one.
This is a very common thing to do, for those that were born on farms, in the wilderness etc. - lots of people were not born in hospitals (mostly older folks) but in order to establish their citizenship they would simply fill out the affidavit form and be done with it. The problem only comes into play when running for the President of the United States because of the requirements set forth by the U.S. Constitution
October 21st, 2008 at 9:53 am
Cao- “Check what the rules are for a presidential candidate who doesn’t have two American Citizen parents.”
Where did you get this from?
I’d like to read more about it but cannot find what you are referring to.
October 21st, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Check article 2 of the constitution.
He has to be at least 35 years old, a resident of the US for at least 14 years, and a natural-born citizen.
Those are the three criterion.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:56 am
Cao…thank you for all of your hardwork and patience putting up with “meatbrain”….good name. Your research is invaluable….
November 1st, 2008 at 5:28 am
Yes, it is meatbrain who is the liar; it is part of their tactic to use our own rules against us.
I have read the law, and so has Philip Berg; Obama is hiding from his past. The court may have said he doesn’t have standing to bring this up, but…if an American citizen doesn’t have standing to challenge Obama on what he’s hiding from the American people,then who does?
November 2nd, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Heh. One more reason I should close comments..so idiots don’t put diatribes up against me simply because they don’t agree with what I put up.
I guess it’s one of the reasons that Kender thinks I’m so talented, LOL…!
The louder they scream, the more you know you’re onto something.
What are you going to do about your Bush Derangement Syndrome when he’s no longer in office?
Your person to blame everything in the world on will be gone.
Talk about brain dead! bwahahahahaha!
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Update (this punctuates the point): Obama’s grandmother says he was born in Kenya - and it comes out that Odinga and Obama both have pretended to be Christians while hiding the fact that their Luo tribe is muslim.
Sarah Hussein’s audio
Excerpt from Reverend Shuhubia’s affadavit:
I, Kweli Shuhubia am over the age of eighteen (18) and not a praty to the within action. If called to do so, I could and would competently testify under oath as follows:
I am an ordained minister of gospel of Jesus Christ and a native evangelist and translator for the Anabaptist church in Kenya. I am the official Swahili translator for the annual Anabaptists Conference held each year in Africa, working with the American bishops sitting upon the Continental Presbytery of the Anabaptists Churches of Africa. I am fluent in Swahili and in English. I am a former teacher in Kenya, and travel extensively in the ministries of the Anabaptists Churches of Africa throughout Kenya, Uganda and the Sudan.
It is common knowledge throughout the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., the United States Presidential candidate, was born in Mombosa Kenya. Senator Obama’s grandmother still resides in the village of Alego-Kogello, approximately 37 miles from Kisumu City. On October 16, 2008 I went to interview Ms. Sarah Obama at her home. Ms. Obama’s home was flooded with people who were celebrating Senator Obama’s success story. Ms. Obama’s home was heavily guarded by Kenya Police. Prior to the interview with Ms. Obama, I took pictures of Ms. Obama, her grandson who was present and other family members.
(snip)
Bishop McRae asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson Barack Obama was born in Kenya” This was asked to her in translation twice, and both times she specifically replied “Yes”. It appeared Ms. Obama’s relatives and her grandson, handling the translating, had obviously been versed to counter such facts with purported information from American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii. Despite this, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States. When Mrs. Obama’s grandson attempted to counter his grandmother’s clear responses to the question, verifying the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, Bishop McRae asked her grandson how she could be present at Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but the grandson would not answer the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that “No, No, No he was born in the United States!” But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed her reply that she was indeed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya. A copy of the Tape transcript is attached hereto as Exhibit “A”.
I left Kisumu City and traveled to Mombosa, Kenya. I interviewed personnel at the hospital to which Senator Obama was born in Kenya. I then had meetings with the Provincial Civil Registrar. I learned there were records of Ann Dunham giving birth to Barrack Hussein Obama, III in Mombosa, Kenya on August 4, 1961. I spoke directly with an Official, the Principal Registrar, who openly confirmed the birthing records of Senator Barack H. Obama, JR. and his mother were present, however, the file on Barach H. Obama, Jr. was classified and profiled. The Official explained Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. birth in Kenya is top secret. I was further instructed to go to the Attorney General’s Office and to the Minister in Charge to immigration if I wanted further information.
Bishop McRae’s affadavit (excerpt):
I, Bishop Ron McRae am over the age of eighteen (18) and not a party to the within action. If called to do so, I could and would competently testify under oath as follows:
I am the Continental Bishop who oversees the Anabaptists Churches in North America. I am also the Presiding Elder on the African Presbytery, where we have numerous churches throughout Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, the Democratic Republic of the Congo and mission works to several other African nations. The African Presbytery is comprised of the national bishops of the various countries we minister in and support, along with our statewide bishops from New York and Pennsylvania.
We actively visit and minister throughout these African countries, and do so extensively throughout all of Kenya these last three (3) years. in overseeing the establishment of our churches and presbytery to Kenya over the last two (2) years we have had personal dealings, continually, with many citizens of Kenya from every tribe and economic standing throughout the wonderful nation of Kenya, with whom the national interests in United States Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a very popular topic of discussion. The tribal cultures of the Kenyanese people have involved much turmoil during the national elections at the end of December 2007 and the beginning of 2008.
The much published violence that erupted over the presidential elections caught the world’s attention. Myself and several American minister with our church were present during this time in Kenya, and the facts concerning this strife and the ensuing violence were well known, and of common knowledge throughout all of Kenya.
The opposition party that was responsible for all of the violence was from the minority Luo tribe, which is a Muslim tribe that supported Mr. Raila Odinga for president. Raila Odinga is a Marxist socialist who graduated from the East Germany Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship from the East German government. He named his first born son after Fidel Castro. Raila Odinga spent six years in prison for his admitted involvement in the bloody coup attempt in 1982 to over take and assissinate Daniel Arap Moi, Kenya’s President. Mr. Odinga has publicly admitted to being the leader of that coup in his 2006.
Mr. Odinga is the cousin of United States Senator Barack Obama. Mr. Obama is from the same Muslim tribe, the Luo Tribe, as Mr. Odinga. Senator Obama visited Kenya in August of 2006 and campaigned extensively for his cousin, Mr. Odinga, which gave Odinga a tremendous boost. During Senator Obama’s campaign stops on behalf of his cousin Odinga, the Senator made numerous claims against the democratic government of Kenya and Kenya’s President Mwai Kibaki, claiming they were corrupt, stating often, that Kenya was “ready for change”, just as he has campaigned here in the United States during the Presidential election. It has been common knowledge throughout Kenya that Senator Obama sent his foreign policy advisor, Mr. Mark Lippert, to Kenya at least three times to advise Mr.Odinga on his campaign strategies. See Mark Hyman’s Washington Times article published October, 12, 2008, attached as Exhibit “I”. Moreover, everyone in Kenya is well aware that Senator Obama donated over one million American dollars ($1,000,000) to his cousin’s, Mr. Odinga’s campaign, which is documented in the Kenyan Political Party, for Mr. Odinga. Orange Democratic Movement (hereinafter “ODM”) along with extensive funds from other Muslim supporters including but not limited to the Muslim son of Muammar Gadhafi, the dictator of Libyan’s Muslim government. These issues are common knowledge throughout Kenya, and the information is publicly document across the internet.
It is detailed in Odinga’s financial reports and strategies ODM Internal Memo documents, attached as Exhibit “2″, which are public records, that a significant portion of Senator Obama’s financial contributions (made through an organization identified as Friends of Senator Barack Obama) were used to help finance both the signed Muslim Memorandum of Understanding as well as the planned violence, murders and bloodshed that occurred in December of 2007. Within the ODM Internal Memo attached as Exhibit “2″, the funds donated by Mr. Obama through “Friends of Senator Barack Obama” were to be used for “Violence as a last result…to discourage voter participation in hostile areas..use ODM agents on the ground to engineer ethnic tensions in target areas…support Kapondi’s forces in Mt. Eglori”, and to do as during “Mid-December”. Unfortunately, the exact violence described in these reports was carried out and occurred at the beginning of the second week of December 2007.
Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States.
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:43 pm
So my question to meathead is…
Is this a “smear” as the Obama campaign says it is, or is the Obama campaign engaging in nazi-style lies and propaganda in order to help him lie his way to the presidency?
You decide!
In retrospect, meatbrain is looking dumber and dumber…even though his narcissism like Obama’s blinds him to the simple facts; so I already know his response is that I’m the liar. Meatbrain, unfortunately, is someone who engages in willful blindness. It’s surprising he has avoided getting killed by passing cars or buses- because he demonstrates an astonishing ability to look directly at something and completely deny that it’s there.