8/3/2008
republicans plan on more energy talk on Monday
I’m still laughing about Obama saying that we should pump up our tires. Obama doesn’t have a lot going on in the brain department, and neither do his followers. I was called a blasphemer today…because I don’t think very highly of Barack Obama. I find that a compliment considering the source. 
I’ve been mad about the repugnitards’ giving in to environmentalism so I’m rather happy that this is going on. If they can show some backbone, and this isn’t a ruse to prove they have one; I’ll be looking at them differently.
Until then, I’ll watch the show.
So if I understand this correctly, people are driving around on flat tires?
ThinkingMeat linked with Why laugh?...
ThinkingMeat linked with Why laugh?...
August 4th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Repub’s back in the darkened house tomorrow. Give em hell Harry, or who ever.
August 4th, 2008 at 12:50 am
You really like to criticize other people’s perceived lack of intelligence, don’t you? Well seeing as you’re a Rhodes Scholar you have that right.
August 4th, 2008 at 3:42 am
So that means you are a Rhodes Scholar, because you just criticized me.
Or…do your rules not apply to you?
August 4th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Well you’re right, I was only a finalist for the Rhodes. I was a Fulbright, though. Does that count? I also attended one of the top five universities in America. What’s your educational background?
August 4th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Then you have no business criticizing me, as you don’t qualify to criticize, by your own rules.
I don’t have rules for the level of education that I require for conversation, therefore I consider your question irrelevant.
August 4th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
August 4th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
I think Otis forget to call you a racist, too, because everyone knows that everyone who opposes Obama ONLY does so because he’s black.
And Otis’ attempts at logic make me glad that I’m not associated with any Fulbright scholars! If that’s the level of intelligence you need to be a Fulbright, I guess I’m too smart and logical for them.
Of course, that’s a hallmark of the left — they know better than you DESPITE logic and reality.
August 4th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
I love a good “elitist moonbat” commenting once in awhile. After seeing what a “Rhodes Scholar” can do in the Oval Office, quite frankly I was not impressed. So Otis… how do you feel about the Constitution? and Freedom?
Surely you are aware that our forefathers gave us the right to “criticize our leaders” and make light of it when they demonstrate the old adage “stupid is as stupid does”. I value more highly, the common sense lessons in life taught to me by my parents and grandparents than anything I learned in college and I know for a fact, some of the dumbest people I know hold Master’s and Doctorates, and some of the smartest never saw a day in a college classroom. I wonder how many of the vile libtards who made such caustic, ugly comments on Huff Po, the LA Times and the Daily KOS after Tony Snow died have advanced degrees?
Cao is pointing out absurdity Otis, the Constitution gives her that right. Obama chose to run for President of the USA, so he has set himself up for criticism, that is how it works so take your empty comments to your man the ObamaMessiah’s website, because they make no sense here.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:09 am
Yeah, Ogre, it seems to me that he is mistaking education for intelligence. The longer you spend int he liberal indoctrination centers, the more you likely you’ll come out sounding like a Naom Chomsky or Ward Churchill.
The interesting thing for me is the fact that for all their supposed “education”, they appear to have been indoctrinated into the church of liberalism rather than to be educated in any sort of way; that’s why I keep concluding when they make comments that they’re not using their brains. They’re parroting liberal talking points and slogans, but…if you think about what they’re saying it’s nonsense.
And HAM, I agree with you; Obama is running for POTUS, in order to make an informed decision, we have to pay attention to what he stands for and not get suckered in by the hype.
Thank you all for the comments. But that Rhodes Scholar bit really takes the cake.
It really does concern me -the lack of intelligence in the American voter, who would say things like “I don’t like McCain”, but can’t list any of Obama’s accomplishments that would make him deserving of the POTUS office…as if this is a High School prom and we’re voting for the Prom Queen.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Why laugh?…
Lizard ***** Cao thinks that inflating tires to conserve fuel is hilarious:
I’m still laughing about Obama saying that we should pump up our tires.
I’d love to know why common-sense measures to improve fuel efficiency are so funny. Th…
August 5th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Rotting Meat is a piece of work. Anything that comes out of Obama’s mouth is considered to be genius - when - that filling your tires with air thing has been recommended by the auto industry for the past 30 years.
What’s worse is his renewable energy ********. It all involves bigger and more government.
Critical of McCain, Obama quiet on his own energy vote (Interesting, isn’t it, how Obama points a hypocritical finger at others when he’s guilty of what he accuses them of) Obama and other communists accuse Bush of being attached to “big oil” - but Obama has taken some $400,000 from oil company executives.
The oil companies? They make less in profit than what they’re paying in taxes, but it’s not enough for Obama (after all, leftists want to nationalize that industry and completely take it over) - he plans to steal their profits and give it back to taxpayers in a “rebate” redistribution of wealth scheme.
You’ve got it right; these people believe in windmills and solar energy - neither of which is very efficient.
But Obama thinks he’s going to replace 15% of electrical sources within his million year reign…
Since he doesn’t realize - you know, being a constitutional lawyer and all he has an excuse - that his max term would be 8 years.
August 5th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Obama’s saying that inflating tires in response to drilling for oil is –for lack of a better term - DUMB. And that’s why it’s funny,
First, because of what YWN just stated - the auto industry has been saying that for 30 years - and b) in fact, the best PSI to use for your car’s tires should be in the owner’s manual of your car. doh!
Those facts notwithstanding, leftists’ solutions involve more government controls, more taxes, and beating up the oil industry so they can nationalize it.
Government corruption is rampant; just ask Jefferson and his 90,000 in the freezer. And dumbbells like meatbrain seriously think Obama’s offering common sense real solutions?
Hasn’t he ever read his owners manual or owned a car? Or listened to any number of experts who debunk the moonbatty suggestions for saving gas?
Debunking a Mileage Myth: Can You Really “Pump Up” Your Fuel Economy?
Lie #94: Obama claims “properly inflating tires” will save as much energy as we could drill offshore; analysis shows not even close
Even more reason to laugh Obama and the rest of the democrat congress with the piss poor approval rating - out of office.
Not to mention point and laugh at Terry Bisson as though he’s a zoo exhibit. He completes that picture with the feces flinging.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
The whole point is that Obama’s ridiculous claim that propertly inflating tires will save as much gas/oil as we could pump from the currently off-limits areas is patently false. Obama is flat out wrong on the drilling issue and this is yet another attempt by him to feverishly spin his way out of it.
See Fact check: Obama’s claim on tire pressure and tuneups
August 5th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
I quoted a couple of you on Meatbrain’s site. Hope you don’t mind.
He is as thick as a brick and apparently doesn’t have a rudimentary understanding of mathematics.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
You haven’t come out of the gate winning any points.
BClark’s link should be taken in addition to the others, not by itself.
Properly inflating your tires can improve gas mileage by 3%. Of course, many people already keep their tires properly inflated, and many more are at least close to being properly inflated. Let’s be generous and assume that one-half of the total possible savings would be realized if we all inflated our tires properly; that’s a net gain of 1.5% fuel efficiency.
Americans drive approximately 2,880 billion miles per year. If we average 24 mpg, we use around 120 billion gallons of gasoline in our vehicles. If, through perfect tire inflation, we improved our collective fuel efficiency by 1.5%, that would be 1.8 billion gallons. A barrel of oil produces around 20 gallons of gasoline, so the total savings available through tire inflation is approximately 90,000,000 barrels of oil annually.
How does this stack up against “all the oil that they’re talking about getting off drilling?”
ANWR: 10 billion barrels
Outer Continental Shelf: 18 billion barrels (estimated; the actual total is undoubtedly much higher, since exploration has been banned)
Oil shale: 1 trillion barrels
Source Powerline via Newsbusters via Obama WTF
Honesty is an alien concept where socialist/communist propagandaists are concerned. Analysis already provided, these points are moot.
He included maintenace, yes. So what number would that yield? Do the math and provide it instead of calling other people less intelligent. The numbers don’t stack up, I can tell you that.
Here are more numbers:
This is all supposition with no substance. Prove the numbers I’ve quoted here wrong. Find the numbers, do the analysis and provide it, otherwise you’re just another person blowing hyperbole up my *** as though it means something. I don’t - and neither does any one here-have to accept your analysis with no numbers based simply on hearsay, supposition, presumptions, assumptions, etc
Okay enough of that. Provide the numbers, then and stop with the insults. “****-eating dimness” seems to be your specialty - that’s all Obama has to offer is ****.
I think your name should be “***”. I don’t have a candidate. I think they someone brought up McCain - and even Meatbrain brought this up because it’s something that has been seized upon by the McCain campaign.
I think it’s funny because Obama keeps sticking his foot in his mouth.
thanks for your elitist commentary but without the numbers, it doesn’t mean much except that you disagree.
And you’re entitled to do that, but -but be warned - you should refrain from calling people here ’stupid’.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
PS cao:
“thick as a brick” refers not to thickness, or brick stupidity, but male arousal. Knowing something about stuff is a general precondition for making valuable commentary to any but the most rabidly empty-headed sycophants.
ice
August 5th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
How do you know how I meant it?
I can use whatever terms I like in whatever context.
In my old British Isles ‘Thick as a brick’ is used to describe someone who take a position which flies in the face of reason and who seems unable to see the stupidity of the position he/she has taken.
He is thick in the head; thick as two planks, dumb as a rock; thick as a brick.
And that’s always how I use that phrase; sorry to disappoint.
Multicultural liberals don’t know much about other cultures, methinks. And I also think all of you are protesting too much.
Ed Morrissey:
And more:
And the tuneups point is incredibly outdated because most cars, as pointed out previously, don’t require a tune-up for the first 100,000 miles - some mechanics recommend them every 30,000 miles, but how much would it save to do more frequently? I’ll bet there aren’t even any numbers available to prove that point correct. This isn’t the 1970’s when tuneups were recommended every 5,000 miles.
And because we’re questioning the obvious vacucousness of his statements we’re intent on spreading propaganda?
It would seem to me that you - without any facts, and hard cold numbers, -YOU are the one who’s doing that.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Here’s another article
7 More Fuel-Sipping Myths Debunked: Mechanic’s Diary
Most of this stuff is hogwash - and we heard it before.
From Jimmy Carter.
But now I have an understanding of why you people are so hysterical…
MoveOn.org Admits the Obvious: The Pro Energy Coalition is Winning the Argument
Nancy Pelosi is not the only member of the anti-energy left looking desperate.
In an urgent email sent to their members last week, the far Left activist group wrote about the national debate over how to best lower gas and energy prices, “Here’s the truth: Right now, progressives are losing this argument.”
Could it be because the progressive argument OBVIOUSLY makes NO SENSE????
bwahahaha! Obama’s points are nonsensical - because it’s stuff that the automobile industry has been saying for the past 30 years or more. Keep your tires filled up, and you’ll get better gas mileage and keep your car tuned up.
But to assert that those two things will save as much gas/oil as we could pump from the currently off-limits areas….is to make an assumption that the numbers do not bear witness to.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Why are you even letting those comments through when that person doesn’t bother to prove his points?
No source material, no facts, no statistics, nada.
Feelings, woah woah woah feelings…
Not to mention the insults; what is more stupid - parroting talking points from the 70’s or actually looking at what it was Obama said as compared to the math behind it?
Political Punch;From the Fact Check Desk: Are Obama’s Claims About Inflating Car Tires Accurate?
According to the U.S. Department of Energy, “every pound per square inch of tire underinflation wastes 4 million gallons of gas daily in the U.S.” Survey information from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration shows that 27% of the cars on the road have a significantly under-inflated tire.
Obviously, Obama wasn’t arguing that inflating tires would reduce the nation’s dependence on foreign oil — but he was saying such a move would save as much energy as drilling for oil in the continental shelf would provide.
Is that true?
If it does save gas, and it is a common problem, well, then what would the total savings be if we all were a bit more diligent about checking the pressure very morning?
Frank Verrastro, Director and Senior Fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), says that it’s complicated, of course.
“The ‘x’ factors here are the fact that Sen. Obama used both tire inflation and tune ups in his remarks, and no one knows what volume you could/would get from additional drilling in the outer continental shelf,” Verrastro says.
As of now, all we have for the OCS are resource estimates, but no production.
Using the website FuelEconomy.gov, Verrastro writes, we can estimate that “the maximum (estimated) fuel economy (i.e., mileage) savings drivers could expect as a result of keeping their engines properly tuned (4%), replacing air filters (up to 10%), properly inflating tires (up to 3%) and using the correct motor oil (1-2%) is 18-19%. Since American drivers use roughly 380 million gallons of gasoline (not including diesel) per day, an 18% improvement translates into a savings of 68 million gallons, or 1.62 million barrels of oil per day.”
Current crude oil and condensate production in the OCS is about 1.25 million barrels per day.
So… What does that mean?
It means that if every American was running around with significantly underinflated tires and improperly tuned cars, then, yes, Sen. Obama is right, the savings from inflating the tires and tuning the cars could arguably match or exceed current output from the OCS.
However, since estimates of significant tire underinflation affect only about a quarter of the cars on road — as we noted above with the NHTSA statistics — and it’s highly unlikely that 100% of the cars are in need of tune- ups at any given time, the maximum savings amount is probably closer to 10%, Verrastro says.
“So the production offset is more likely to approach 800 thousand barrels per day – a tidy sum and a worthwhile target for savings, but not equal to OCS output,” he rules. “Finally, without knowing what production volumes could be expected from lifting the ban on OCS drilling moratoria, it’s impossible to assert that taking these fuel savings actions would exceed future offshore oil volumes, and in fact, one might argue that the combination of achieving these savings AND developing new supply would doubly enhance US energy security.”
- Jake Tapper and Natalie Gewargis
August 5th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Your wise men don’t know how it feels
to be thick as a brick.
Obama makes an analogy–if we make basic conservation moves–properly inflate tires, tune up our 84 Monte Carlos, change the oil, slow down a tad–add it up and you save–at some point–however much you’d get from squeezing all the oil out of the continental shelf, the oil sands, the oil shale, the salad bar at Shakeys, or Nancy Pelosi, take your choice.
No, you screech, if you conserve you’re a communist. The stupid, it burns.
The congressional Republicans, abetted by their cowardly Democratic Vichy, create a red herring with an offshore drilling proposal. It’s a political winner–bash both the enviros and the candidate simultaneously without offending your Big Oil pimp. But as energy policy it’s beyond moronic, just as the ANWR and Oil-Shale and cornholeahol sideshows are. No, we want to stay between the cheeks of the Saudis and the Russians, for god’s sake.
ice out
August 6th, 2008 at 2:55 am
tsk tsk tsk once again you present your rhetorical ad hominem argument with no facts or source material. Not very convincing.
I challenge you to prove it instead of use this ad hominem approach.
You were wrong about thick as a brick, but you certainly have joined meathead in that category!
You are wrong about Obama’s using Carter’s pleadings from the 70’s instead of confront the issue before us - which is drilling for oil on environmentally restricted reserves. The common sense solution is to reduce our dependence on foreign oil -from the people who don’t like us. We can easily produce our own. Since Obama and his sychophants won’t confront the issue, he’s on the losing side of the argument - so is his suggestion about renewable energy. Sustainable energy is more expensive and is unreliable because you have to wait for the sun to shine or the wind to blow. You have to look at the ROI.
But Obama has never been in business for himself, so he doesn’t care about ROI.
You should realize that the progressives are not going to win this by insulting everyone; they have to prove their case rationally.
And it seems as though they don’t know how to do that. Most Americans are not going to take your approach very kindly; let alone jump on your bandwagon. You are revealing yourselves as pariahs…and you represent a pariah of a candidate. This is no way to garner votes for the Obamessiah, can’t you see that?
We need to expand our options; Obama is about reducing our options. We need to let the free market take care of this instead of oppose government controls. R&D - research and development - is what we need…in order to explore the options that will take us out of the mess we find ourselves in.
Obama is not about free markets or exploring the options - he’s about increasing the size of government and adding more restrictions to the oil industry. None of that is going to turn things around for the better…and most people with common sense can see that.
Meatbrain talks about Obama offering common sense solutions…these are common sense solutions FROM THE CARTER ERA…which don’t amount to a hill of beans.
But keep deluding yourself…as more and more people shake off the spell of the light giver and realize he may be “the One”…but he’s not the One who should be President.
August 6th, 2008 at 4:13 am
They all have delusions of grandeur. They’re more edumucated than we are; they know what’s best for the rest of us peasants, as they are the ruling class.
August 6th, 2008 at 5:09 am
Well…that’s what THEY and George Soros are planning, anyway.
August 6th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Why laugh?…
See update. Facts are facts. Obama is right. Cao and the mindless wingnut hyenas are, as usual, dead wrong….
August 6th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Barack Obama’s suggestion wasn’t that properly inflated tires could help save oil. He said you could save as much as we would gain by drilling.
“Obama may have exaggerated when he said simply inflating tires and getting regular tuneups would save just as much oil as the offshore drilling McCain is proposing. But automotive experts long have suggested those steps to cut gas bills. … The Obama campaign could not provide figures to back up his claim that inflating tires and getting tuneups would save just as much oil as could be produced by offshore drilling.” AP
And neither can Meatbrain.
bwahahahahaha
too funny
August 6th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
The insane, blind worship of Obama by his fans (here and elsewhere) is just darn scary. These people honestly believe quite literally anything that comes out of Obama’s mouth. Of course, since many, like meatbrain, live in their own personal fantasy world, they actually CAN believe what Obama says and simply make it true in their world.
Just a part of the reason this statements makes Obama look like a fool in the real world is because it’s not a solution — but it is, quite literally, the best Obama can do. He has nothing else. He has no ideas. He has no solutions. All he has is talk.
But unfortunately, he also has so many blind followers it’s scary. The logical, and likely, outcome from this will be government air filling stations and government inspectors. Liberal do-gooders like meatbrain will rally behind using government force to ensure everyone inflates their tires — even if they don’t WANT to save gas. You see, in a free society, a place liberals and meatbrain utterly hate, people would be free to waste gas all they want. Free markets could dictate the price of gas — but Obama, McCain, meatbrain, and other liberals don’t like that. They want to control everyone, every thing, and every price.
August 6th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Don’t worry Cao, when the welfare funds dry up because the working class can’t get to work and pay income taxes, the left-winger will be shrilling about that. Not everyone works from home, writing chintzy science fiction, some of us have to commute 40 or 50 miles and can’t move closer because the real estate market is down as are our property values.
meatbrain doesn’t live in the real world, and in MeatyWorld, your tank doesn’t go dry if your tires are properly inflated. My tires are checked every time I get the oil changed and I haven’t noticed a dramatic difference yet!
August 6th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
I check my air pressure once a month. It’s particularly important when the weather is changing.
meatbrain and his buds will never admit when they’re wrong..
But on this one he’s REALLY full of it
August 6th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Hiya Meaty….I just finished Bradbury’s “The Silver Locusts”, and have also re read Asimov’s Robot series.
Susan Calvin was such an endearing character….it’s such a pity that, in addition to your piss poor abilities as a political commentator, you’re also one of the worst fiction writers I have ever seen.
Seriously, when will you start writing like McCaffrey, Alan E. Nourse, Heinlein??
Your political comments are full of ****, ad hominems, and attacks, you have little in the way of facts, you’re a pathetic liar (I accused you of being here just to attack the Wide Awakes, you denied it, and yet here you are yet again)…seriously….you’re a failure as a writer and a failure as a commentator.
Even David Eddings leaves you for dead..and he’s a fantasy writer. Reading the Belgariad next..mmm, he is such an accomplished author.
He is everything you are not…and I bet that burns you, doesn’t it? I cant even attack your arguments…you don’t have any.
BOORING!!!……
August 6th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
I think maybe he’s more of a “political fantasy writer” because he isn’t in the real world the rest of us occupy.
August 6th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
You got that right.
August 6th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
The reason that Meathead and the other liberals think filling tires is a stroke of genius is because they are liberal idiots. Those of us who have responsibility know how to take care of our vehicles and that the tires need to be inflated to a certain psi for optimum fuel efficiency. We also get regular tune ups and oil changes. I have a digital tire pressure gauge in my glove box because I check my tire pressure about once a month.
Liberals are so accustomed to having the government take care of them they had to have a big government liberal tell them to do it. I am surprised they don’t expect the government to make a new department of tire inflation enforcement with people going around checking tire pressure.
And to hear Obama mention NASCAR is hilarious. NASCAR recommends keeping your tires inflated. They also drive 170 mph and use more fuel in a weekend than most of us do in a month.
August 7th, 2008 at 5:27 am
Aren’t the people who follow NASCAR the very people who cling to their guns and religion?
bwahahaha
Still too funny…
Meatbrain has outdone himself in the stupidity department
And Sonnabend is right; his science fictions sucks