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		<title>By: Thomas J. Jackson</title>
		<link>http://caosblog.com/archives/2026#comment-38315</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas J. Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant Cindy not Sheehan.  The media loves to see people who will prostitute the memory of their children, its so Jerry Springer.  The media won&#039;t show the number of parents who respect their children&#039;s sacrifice and memory because that&#039;s like the media covering a successful plane landing.  They rather cover the bizarre.  Because the more out in the Twilight Zonme it is, the more anti American it is, the more it is in the MSM&#039;s neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant Cindy not Sheehan.  The media loves to see people who will prostitute the memory of their children, its so Jerry Springer.  The media won&#8217;t show the number of parents who respect their children&#8217;s sacrifice and memory because that&#8217;s like the media covering a successful plane landing.  They rather cover the bizarre.  Because the more out in the Twilight Zonme it is, the more anti American it is, the more it is in the MSM&#8217;s neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: Cao</title>
		<link>http://caosblog.com/archives/2026#comment-38077</link>
		<dc:creator>Cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not, as the leftists who leave their troll droppings here seem to think by looking at my blog and what&#039;s in my sidebar, someone who&#039;s marching in lock step with the current administration as I have many issues with it.  If people actually READ what&#039;s here instead of ASSUME what it is I&#039;m saying, they&#039;d know that.

For the most part, I believe that staying the course in Iraq right now is our only choice.  It&#039;s too late to argue about the reasoning for going in, but leftists are constantly bringing up the tired old memes they&#039;ve been conditioned to accept; Blood for oil, Halliburton, Bushitler, etc., etc..

I disagree on what you say about the war in Iraq not being worthy of more American lives.  The Iraqis themselves understand what&#039;s at stake; I&#039;ve been watching closely as to whether their constitution is going to be based on sharia law and only about 26% of Iraqis think that should be the case.  The majority of them believe in federalism; they understand the concept.

We&#039;re not fighting Iraqis in Iraq right now, we&#039;re fighting foreign fighters who represent Al Qaeda.  

The fact that Iraqis have been under a totalitarian regime for over 35 years is what the issue is; it&#039;s going to take time for them to understand and take ownership.  I agree that there is a vacuum now that the Baathists are no longer in power (we toppled the Baathists very quickly), but they need to have the new government in place before we leave, otherwise we&#039;re inviting the Taliban-style forces that you describe to fill that vacuum.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://rofasix.blogspot.com/2005/08/mccaffrey-reports-what-is-really-going.html&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a great post on the progress we&#039;re making in Iraq&lt;/a&gt;--and not politicized, but the nitty gritty military view of what it&#039;s going to take.  I agree that the war has been &quot;politicized&quot; and it&#039;s despicable.

But in the end, the solution IMO, is absolutely not to cave in to the anti-war people who are pulling for the terrorists and talking alongside people like Lynne Stewart.  That&#039;d be akin to giving Bin Laden the key to the city of Baghdad.

And, on top of this, what on earth do people think is going to happen on our soil if we &quot;cave in&quot; in Iraq?  If you read the Northeast Intelligence Network, you&#039;re aware that we&#039;re also battling right here in the US and that Islamic crimes and murders have already occurred here.  So don&#039;t you think the domestic terrorists will be encouraged if we fold &#039;em in Iraq?  There&#039;s more at stake here than just Iraq--the lives of our citizens here in the US most of whom don&#039;t even recognize there&#039;s a terrorist threat on our soil, and don&#039;t seem to be aware of all the indictments/arrests/imprisonment of domestic islamic terrorists connected with Al Qaeda that have occurred over the past several years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not, as the leftists who leave their troll droppings here seem to think by looking at my blog and what&#8217;s in my sidebar, someone who&#8217;s marching in lock step with the current administration as I have many issues with it.  If people actually READ what&#8217;s here instead of ASSUME what it is I&#8217;m saying, they&#8217;d know that.</p>
<p>For the most part, I believe that staying the course in Iraq right now is our only choice.  It&#8217;s too late to argue about the reasoning for going in, but leftists are constantly bringing up the tired old memes they&#8217;ve been conditioned to accept; Blood for oil, Halliburton, Bushitler, etc., etc..</p>
<p>I disagree on what you say about the war in Iraq not being worthy of more American lives.  The Iraqis themselves understand what&#8217;s at stake; I&#8217;ve been watching closely as to whether their constitution is going to be based on sharia law and only about 26% of Iraqis think that should be the case.  The majority of them believe in federalism; they understand the concept.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not fighting Iraqis in Iraq right now, we&#8217;re fighting foreign fighters who represent Al Qaeda.  </p>
<p>The fact that Iraqis have been under a totalitarian regime for over 35 years is what the issue is; it&#8217;s going to take time for them to understand and take ownership.  I agree that there is a vacuum now that the Baathists are no longer in power (we toppled the Baathists very quickly), but they need to have the new government in place before we leave, otherwise we&#8217;re inviting the Taliban-style forces that you describe to fill that vacuum.</p>
<p><a href="http://rofasix.blogspot.com/2005/08/mccaffrey-reports-what-is-really-going.html">Here&#8217;s a great post on the progress we&#8217;re making in Iraq</a>&#8211;and not politicized, but the nitty gritty military view of what it&#8217;s going to take.  I agree that the war has been &#8220;politicized&#8221; and it&#8217;s despicable.</p>
<p>But in the end, the solution IMO, is absolutely not to cave in to the anti-war people who are pulling for the terrorists and talking alongside people like Lynne Stewart.  That&#8217;d be akin to giving Bin Laden the key to the city of Baghdad.</p>
<p>And, on top of this, what on earth do people think is going to happen on our soil if we &#8220;cave in&#8221; in Iraq?  If you read the Northeast Intelligence Network, you&#8217;re aware that we&#8217;re also battling right here in the US and that Islamic crimes and murders have already occurred here.  So don&#8217;t you think the domestic terrorists will be encouraged if we fold &#8216;em in Iraq?  There&#8217;s more at stake here than just Iraq&#8211;the lives of our citizens here in the US most of whom don&#8217;t even recognize there&#8217;s a terrorist threat on our soil, and don&#8217;t seem to be aware of all the indictments/arrests/imprisonment of domestic islamic terrorists connected with Al Qaeda that have occurred over the past several years.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston Lewis</title>
		<link>http://caosblog.com/archives/2026#comment-38076</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people &quot;support our troops&quot;.  That isn&#039;t the problem with what your blog calls a &quot;leftist agenda&quot;, at least for me, my problem is once we leave we&#039;ve set up Iraq to be controlled by Iran.  Iraq&#039;s population is primarily the same religion as Irans.  Their religious teachings (the majority) are largely based in Iran.  The power Iran will wield in a post US Iraq is undeniable, except to a select few.  We&#039;ll leave, the Constitution Iraq has will be shredded and Iraq will become an Islamic Republic and a close ally of Iran.  Attacking Iraq, while nice to get rid of Hussein and his ilk, produced a lot of partying in Iran where they know once the US leaves, they&#039;ll fill the power vacuum and things in the Middle East will be worse, not better.

As for the protesting woman in Texas, I agree her protest is futile and she should have stopped long ago but I can see the logic in her emotions.  Finish the mission marine supporters say.  It wasn&#039;t finished in Vietnam where thousands of Americans died in vain leaving anguished family members.  The mission wasn&#039;t completed in Lebanon where hundreds of Americans died without the mission being completed, leaving anguished family members here in the states.  And ultimately, the mission will not be completed in Iraq where they have fought and been uncivilized for centuries and were slavers (owning White Europeans in the Janissary Corp) long before Europeans owned Black slaves.  No, we&#039;ll leave, any democratic constitution we leave will crumble, Iran will take over, and all of out military deaths will be in vain.  Mission not accomplished and more American family in anguish over a senseless death, unless removing Hussein is the only goal that counts.

Problem?  We&#039;ve politicized wars.  If we could go back to WWII style fighting where generals actually could fight without whining politicians and WIN, then great.  I&#039;d all be for actions like in Iraq but for the last 50 years, most American deaths in armed conflicts have been senseless, in vain, and mission not accomplished in major conflicts like Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon, Afghanistan, and Iraq.  Your blog claims to support Bush and ridicules the anguished mother of a dead soldier.  It&#039;s the wrong fight in my opinion.  Fight the government&#039;s politicization of war and let the soldiers do their job without handcuffs on them.  Let&#039;s actually complete some missions instead of pretending we complete them as evidenced a few years after we pull out of a country.  Just my opinion, I know it won&#039;t be popular here and I am open to suggestions.  And no, I&#039;m no left winger.  I&#039;m a Republican willing to criticize our current system of fighting small scale wars where our citizens die without results.  Gulf War?  Great.  Afghanistan/Iraq?  Yes, we had to do something so no real issue with beginning the military actions.  Now it just has to do with realizing where it will all end when we leave.  More American deaths seem senseless.  Iraq as a whole will not accept or practice democracy.  The Kurds perhaps, perhaps southern Iraq, but not the central part of Iraq which leans towards Iran anyway and HATE OUR GUTS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people &#8220;support our troops&#8221;.  That isn&#8217;t the problem with what your blog calls a &#8220;leftist agenda&#8221;, at least for me, my problem is once we leave we&#8217;ve set up Iraq to be controlled by Iran.  Iraq&#8217;s population is primarily the same religion as Irans.  Their religious teachings (the majority) are largely based in Iran.  The power Iran will wield in a post US Iraq is undeniable, except to a select few.  We&#8217;ll leave, the Constitution Iraq has will be shredded and Iraq will become an Islamic Republic and a close ally of Iran.  Attacking Iraq, while nice to get rid of Hussein and his ilk, produced a lot of partying in Iran where they know once the US leaves, they&#8217;ll fill the power vacuum and things in the Middle East will be worse, not better.</p>
<p>As for the protesting woman in Texas, I agree her protest is futile and she should have stopped long ago but I can see the logic in her emotions.  Finish the mission marine supporters say.  It wasn&#8217;t finished in Vietnam where thousands of Americans died in vain leaving anguished family members.  The mission wasn&#8217;t completed in Lebanon where hundreds of Americans died without the mission being completed, leaving anguished family members here in the states.  And ultimately, the mission will not be completed in Iraq where they have fought and been uncivilized for centuries and were slavers (owning White Europeans in the Janissary Corp) long before Europeans owned Black slaves.  No, we&#8217;ll leave, any democratic constitution we leave will crumble, Iran will take over, and all of out military deaths will be in vain.  Mission not accomplished and more American family in anguish over a senseless death, unless removing Hussein is the only goal that counts.</p>
<p>Problem?  We&#8217;ve politicized wars.  If we could go back to WWII style fighting where generals actually could fight without whining politicians and WIN, then great.  I&#8217;d all be for actions like in Iraq but for the last 50 years, most American deaths in armed conflicts have been senseless, in vain, and mission not accomplished in major conflicts like Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon, Afghanistan, and Iraq.  Your blog claims to support Bush and ridicules the anguished mother of a dead soldier.  It&#8217;s the wrong fight in my opinion.  Fight the government&#8217;s politicization of war and let the soldiers do their job without handcuffs on them.  Let&#8217;s actually complete some missions instead of pretending we complete them as evidenced a few years after we pull out of a country.  Just my opinion, I know it won&#8217;t be popular here and I am open to suggestions.  And no, I&#8217;m no left winger.  I&#8217;m a Republican willing to criticize our current system of fighting small scale wars where our citizens die without results.  Gulf War?  Great.  Afghanistan/Iraq?  Yes, we had to do something so no real issue with beginning the military actions.  Now it just has to do with realizing where it will all end when we leave.  More American deaths seem senseless.  Iraq as a whole will not accept or practice democracy.  The Kurds perhaps, perhaps southern Iraq, but not the central part of Iraq which leans towards Iran anyway and HATE OUR GUTS.</p>
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		<title>By: Cao</title>
		<link>http://caosblog.com/archives/2026#comment-37890</link>
		<dc:creator>Cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I gave some thought about what you said there, Tom.  Do you mean the mother above, or do you mean Cindy Sheehan&#039;s house?  Or do you mean that the woman in the post won&#039;t have the media following her?  Actually, Move America is going to make sure there is media coverage, and there will be some coverage at their site, even if the lamestream media doesn&#039;t report on it.  

That has been a very interesting day as far as lefties coming over spewing their bile.

What I&#039;d like them to know is--we learned from Vietnam, and I&#039;m not interested in the people joining hands together across the country singing &quot;I&#039;d like the world to sing in perfect harmony&quot;...I&#039;d like to know many people protested the candleholders?  How many parents of fallen soldiers stood out there with pictures of their sons?  Just remember, we&#039;re organizing to protest these stupid commie protesters--and most importantly, it&#039;s too bad that people don&#039;t know or remember that

FREEDOM ISN&#039;T FREE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I gave some thought about what you said there, Tom.  Do you mean the mother above, or do you mean Cindy Sheehan&#8217;s house?  Or do you mean that the woman in the post won&#8217;t have the media following her?  Actually, Move America is going to make sure there is media coverage, and there will be some coverage at their site, even if the lamestream media doesn&#8217;t report on it.  </p>
<p>That has been a very interesting day as far as lefties coming over spewing their bile.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like them to know is&#8211;we learned from Vietnam, and I&#8217;m not interested in the people joining hands together across the country singing &#8220;I&#8217;d like the world to sing in perfect harmony&#8221;&#8230;I&#8217;d like to know many people protested the candleholders?  How many parents of fallen soldiers stood out there with pictures of their sons?  Just remember, we&#8217;re organizing to protest these stupid commie protesters&#8211;and most importantly, it&#8217;s too bad that people don&#8217;t know or remember that</p>
<p>FREEDOM ISN&#8217;T FREE.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
		<link>http://caosblog.com/archives/2026#comment-37889</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were 1,627 or so candlelight vigils across the country last night.  The one in the conservative, white-flight suburb Valencia, CA was really beautiful and, of course, very sad considering the loss of American sons and daughters. The 27 year old woman who organized our community&#039;s vigil lost her husband and the father of her child; it was unfortunate that we were coming together because of this tragedy, but I&#039;m glad that she had friends and allies aplenty.  I was happy to see how many generations were represented at the vigil--there were people from ages 5 to 85.  I made friends with a 78 year old retiree who had great stories to tell about his children and their families.  I wish you all could have been there holding candles with us.  It was a night to remember.  I hope you and yours are safe and content and I send my warmth if you have experienced the same tragedy as so many across this great nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were 1,627 or so candlelight vigils across the country last night.  The one in the conservative, white-flight suburb Valencia, CA was really beautiful and, of course, very sad considering the loss of American sons and daughters. The 27 year old woman who organized our community&#8217;s vigil lost her husband and the father of her child; it was unfortunate that we were coming together because of this tragedy, but I&#8217;m glad that she had friends and allies aplenty.  I was happy to see how many generations were represented at the vigil&#8211;there were people from ages 5 to 85.  I made friends with a 78 year old retiree who had great stories to tell about his children and their families.  I wish you all could have been there holding candles with us.  It was a night to remember.  I hope you and yours are safe and content and I send my warmth if you have experienced the same tragedy as so many across this great nation.</p>
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