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		<title>By: Cao</title>
		<link>http://caosblog.com/archives/974#comment-3028</link>
		<dc:creator>Cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You give us one example from--uh--1776?  Now how long ago is that, Bob Evans?  Gimme a break.  WHO&#039;s a knucklehead?  What century are you living in?

France was humiliated after its defeat in the French and Indian Wars, and England was their enemy. It was in France&#039;s self-interest to help the Americans; it was a way of getting back at the British. 

Some very interesting things about the French versus the Americansâ€¦.In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15560&quot;&gt;Our Oldest Enemy&lt;/a&gt;, John J. Miller (co-author of the Book) describes the tenuous relationship between the US and France. And itâ€™s much older than I ever imagined.

The most immediate influence was the recent unpleasantness with France over Iraq, but a deeper motivation was a desire to look at the pervasive myth of Franco-American friendship. If you listen to the commentary about relations between the United States and France, a lot of it assumes that France is Americaâ€™s oldest friendâ€“and that our two countries share a 200-year history of sweetness and light that began with Lafayette and somehow ended when our unrefined, cowboy president came into office and made a mess of things. This is nonsense. Franco-American history is a 300-year story of friction and hostility. From the French and Indian Wars to the Quasi War of the 1790s to the U.S. Civil War to Versailles to the Vichy regime to de Gaulle in the Cold Warâ€“when you study the historical record, it becomes clear that the jousting over Iraq is really nothing new. People always wonder about the period of the American Revolution, but it was an anomaly, and even then itâ€™s poorly understoodâ€“the French entered the war for entirely self-interested reasons and behaved treacherously toward the Americans during the peace talks. Thereâ€™s a lot more to it than Yorktown.

The French suffer from a very bad case of wounded national pride. Three hundred years ago, they ruled a globe-spanning empire. But ever since their defeat in the final French and Indian Warâ€“known in Europe as the Seven Years Warâ€“theyâ€™ve traveled on a downward trajectory. Napoleon provided a brief and bloody interruption to this relentless decline. At the same time, the French have watched the United States grow in power. Our gains mirror their losses. This has resulted in a tremendous sense of jealousy that embodies itself, nowadays, in a distinctly anti-American geopolitical outlook.

Many in France believe a one-superpower world is a dangerous world, even when the superpower is benign. So they talk of balancing American â€œhyperpowerâ€â€“and for them â€œbalancingâ€ is a euphemism for â€œopposing.â€ This is what Francois Mitterand spoke about shortly before his death: â€œWe are at war with America,â€ he said. â€œA permanent war â€¦ a war without death. They are very hard, the Americansâ€“they are voracious. They want undivided power over the world.â€ This hardcore anti-American outlook makes it possible for French leaders to say some pretty outrageous things. Just a couple of weeks ago, French prime minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin announced, â€œThe Iraqi insurgents are our best allies.â€ What kind of friend or ally talks like that?

The notion that France has ever been a steadfast ally is a pernicious myth that serves French interests, not American ones. If France were Americaâ€™s oldest ally, it wouldnâ€™t have backstabbed the colonists at the end of the American Revolution, become the first military foe of the United States (following the ratification of the Constitution), sought to split our nation in two during the Civil War, accommodated the Soviet Union during the Cold War, quit NATO in the 1960s, or harassed the Bush administration over Iraq.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15560&quot;&gt;
Here is Jamie Glazovâ€™s interview with him&lt;/a&gt;, itâ€™s very interesting.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You give us one example from&#8211;uh&#8211;1776?  Now how long ago is that, Bob Evans?  Gimme a break.  WHO&#8217;s a knucklehead?  What century are you living in?</p>
<p>France was humiliated after its defeat in the French and Indian Wars, and England was their enemy. It was in France&#8217;s self-interest to help the Americans; it was a way of getting back at the British. </p>
<p>Some very interesting things about the French versus the Americansâ€¦.In <a href="http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15560">Our Oldest Enemy</a>, John J. Miller (co-author of the Book) describes the tenuous relationship between the US and France. And itâ€™s much older than I ever imagined.</p>
<p>The most immediate influence was the recent unpleasantness with France over Iraq, but a deeper motivation was a desire to look at the pervasive myth of Franco-American friendship. If you listen to the commentary about relations between the United States and France, a lot of it assumes that France is Americaâ€™s oldest friendâ€“and that our two countries share a 200-year history of sweetness and light that began with Lafayette and somehow ended when our unrefined, cowboy president came into office and made a mess of things. This is nonsense. Franco-American history is a 300-year story of friction and hostility. From the French and Indian Wars to the Quasi War of the 1790s to the U.S. Civil War to Versailles to the Vichy regime to de Gaulle in the Cold Warâ€“when you study the historical record, it becomes clear that the jousting over Iraq is really nothing new. People always wonder about the period of the American Revolution, but it was an anomaly, and even then itâ€™s poorly understoodâ€“the French entered the war for entirely self-interested reasons and behaved treacherously toward the Americans during the peace talks. Thereâ€™s a lot more to it than Yorktown.</p>
<p>The French suffer from a very bad case of wounded national pride. Three hundred years ago, they ruled a globe-spanning empire. But ever since their defeat in the final French and Indian Warâ€“known in Europe as the Seven Years Warâ€“theyâ€™ve traveled on a downward trajectory. Napoleon provided a brief and bloody interruption to this relentless decline. At the same time, the French have watched the United States grow in power. Our gains mirror their losses. This has resulted in a tremendous sense of jealousy that embodies itself, nowadays, in a distinctly anti-American geopolitical outlook.</p>
<p>Many in France believe a one-superpower world is a dangerous world, even when the superpower is benign. So they talk of balancing American â€œhyperpowerâ€â€“and for them â€œbalancingâ€ is a euphemism for â€œopposing.â€ This is what Francois Mitterand spoke about shortly before his death: â€œWe are at war with America,â€ he said. â€œA permanent war â€¦ a war without death. They are very hard, the Americansâ€“they are voracious. They want undivided power over the world.â€ This hardcore anti-American outlook makes it possible for French leaders to say some pretty outrageous things. Just a couple of weeks ago, French prime minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin announced, â€œThe Iraqi insurgents are our best allies.â€ What kind of friend or ally talks like that?</p>
<p>The notion that France has ever been a steadfast ally is a pernicious myth that serves French interests, not American ones. If France were Americaâ€™s oldest ally, it wouldnâ€™t have backstabbed the colonists at the end of the American Revolution, become the first military foe of the United States (following the ratification of the Constitution), sought to split our nation in two during the Civil War, accommodated the Soviet Union during the Cold War, quit NATO in the 1960s, or harassed the Bush administration over Iraq.<br />
<a href="http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15560"><br />
Here is Jamie Glazovâ€™s interview with him</a>, itâ€™s very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Evans</title>
		<link>http://caosblog.com/archives/974#comment-3025</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You`re all a bunch of knuckleheads! Read on: The French Navy&#039;s role in the success of the American Revolution is seldom acknowledged in general American histories. Yet it is difficult to see how American independence could have been won -- at least in that particular war -- against a regime that was the world&#039;s acknowledge leading naval power in terms of ship inventory and recent combat exploits. Certainly, the undisputed expert on the war, General Washington, appreciated the critical importance of naval presence in the North American theater. As long as the British navy could support their army&#039;s operations along the eastern coastline, the rebellion was doomed. The French naval success at the Second Battle of the Virginia Capes in September 1781 was â€˜the keystone&#039; of the Yorktown Campaign, and provides dramatic testimony of the French Navy&#039;s contribution to the American cause in that theater of operations. In all due respect to the modest Continental and American state navies, and to the spectacular performances of the American privateers, it was the Royal French Navy that was the only â€˜standing navy&#039; to serve the American army in terms of engaging British naval formations and supporting land operations in North America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You`re all a bunch of knuckleheads! Read on: The French Navy&#8217;s role in the success of the American Revolution is seldom acknowledged in general American histories. Yet it is difficult to see how American independence could have been won &#8212; at least in that particular war &#8212; against a regime that was the world&#8217;s acknowledge leading naval power in terms of ship inventory and recent combat exploits. Certainly, the undisputed expert on the war, General Washington, appreciated the critical importance of naval presence in the North American theater. As long as the British navy could support their army&#8217;s operations along the eastern coastline, the rebellion was doomed. The French naval success at the Second Battle of the Virginia Capes in September 1781 was â€˜the keystone&#8217; of the Yorktown Campaign, and provides dramatic testimony of the French Navy&#8217;s contribution to the American cause in that theater of operations. In all due respect to the modest Continental and American state navies, and to the spectacular performances of the American privateers, it was the Royal French Navy that was the only â€˜standing navy&#8217; to serve the American army in terms of engaging British naval formations and supporting land operations in North America.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://caosblog.com/archives/974#comment-2749</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The French gave us a statue and we gave them our blood! Typical!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The French gave us a statue and we gave them our blood! Typical!!</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Jack</title>
		<link>http://caosblog.com/archives/974#comment-2742</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey frenchie, you can have that damn trophy wife back. We no longer want the tired, the poor, the wretched refuse; We want the strong, the willing and the competent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey frenchie, you can have that damn trophy wife back. We no longer want the tired, the poor, the wretched refuse; We want the strong, the willing and the competent.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://caosblog.com/archives/974#comment-2736</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13: For your info there has been petitions signed and delivered to the US Senate/HOReps to have the Statue of Liberty returned to France. Americans don&#039;t like the idea because they love that statue; but if France continues on the path it is currently taking, that opinion will change. The statue may yet go back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13: For your info there has been petitions signed and delivered to the US Senate/HOReps to have the Statue of Liberty returned to France. Americans don&#8217;t like the idea because they love that statue; but if France continues on the path it is currently taking, that opinion will change. The statue may yet go back.</p>
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